The God Delusion

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

There's no atheism religion, of course not.

Are you sure about that?

Atheism is based on the book of science. The fact that science has its groundings in what appears to be our sense of reality isn't really relevant, as it's still open to interpretation. Do you remember the plane on a tread mill argument, for example?

Perhaps more strikingly, take all this global warming business. Thousands, millions of people in fact, have become brainwashed by the preachers of climate science, into believing that mankind is responsible. The followers of climate change have no real understanding of what they're being told, and those that are telling them can't say for certain either as they've no solid evidence. That sounds like faith to me.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

-An example of what I mentioned above. Attacking the argument outright in a ridiculous manner. There's no atheism religion, of course not. Atheists do not want to 'organise' ourselves, but want to get rid of the assumption that religion comes first in everything

No, you're wrong. It's very common for aetheists to organise themselves, particularly in countries where they are in a minority (America, for example), or not particularly tolerated. They hold conferences, rallies and retreats. They produce literature on the subject and give speeches on it; not at all unlike religious people do with their beliefs. See http://www.atheists.org/ for starters. I don't see anything wrong with them organising themselves and it doesn't detract from their arguments, but I do find funny.

Of course, not all aetheists do, just as not all people who believe in God go to Church regularly.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Are you sure about that?

Atheism is based on the book of science. The fact that science has its groundings in what appears to be our sense of reality isn't really relevant, as it's still open to interpretation. Do you remember the plane on a tread mill argument, for example?

Perhaps more strikingly, take all this global warming business. Thousands, millions of people in fact, have become brainwashed by the preachers of climate science, into believing that mankind is responsible. The followers of climate change have no real understanding of what they're being told, and those that are telling them can't say for certain either as they've no solid evidence. That sounds like faith to me.

Erm i think you would proabably find these thousands of millions of people you refer to, are the same thousands of people gullible enough/brainwashed to believe what a 2000 (however old their books are) year old fairly tail tells them.

I dont know what to see as fact or fiction to be honest. What i do know is that weather is no science its informed guessing. Science deals with fact not guess work. Also that the weather is deffo changing.

As a none believer of religion I see science as generally making more sense, for me the first page of the bible spoils it, light before the stars? Indeed...

I dont blame people for wanting to believe in religion i suppose it makes the big wide world, all the crap then death look a little less like a raw deal.

I might have a read of this book see if it makes any good arguments.

Ceri JC - Can I ask, what is it you believe in?

Is it something you have always believed in, was it brought to you by your parents or is it something you've developed yourself?

Hope that isn't too intrusive - just curious.

ta'

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

No, you're wrong. It's very common for aetheists to organise themselves, particularly in countries where they are in a minority (America, for example), or not particularly tolerated. They hold conferences, rallies and retreats. They produce literature on the subject and give speeches on it; not at all unlike religious people do with their beliefs. See http://www.atheists.org/ for starters. I don't see anything wrong with them organising themselves and it doesn't detract from their arguments, but I do find funny.

Of course, not all aetheists do, just as not all people who believe in God go to Church regularly.

To be fair, I'm not sure that they want to organise themselves, it's just that when you've got idiots like Bush in charge you don't have much choice but to defend yourself.

Originally Posted by Welsh_Wizard

Ceri JC - Can I ask, what is it you believe in?

Is it something you have always believed in, was it brought to you by your parents or is it something you've developed yourself?

Hope that isn't too intrusive - just curious.

ta'

I think i see where you are going with this. Very interesting.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Are you sure about that?

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Atheism is based on the book of science. The fact that science has its groundings in what appears to be our sense of reality isn't really relevant, as it's still open to interpretation. Do you remember the plane on a tread mill argument, for example?

I'm entirely sure about that. Atheism is a non-belief in god; a stance that god does not exist.

Science is an explanation of natural phenomena based on evidencial fact. One doesn't need to believe in science, science is proven. Science is not a fundamental 'belief' required of atheism, atheism does not support any beliefs.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Perhaps more strikingly, take all this global warming business. Thousands, millions of people in fact, have become brainwashed by the preachers of climate science, into believing that mankind is responsible. The followers of climate change have no real understanding of what they're being told, and those that are telling them can't say for certain either as they've no solid evidence. That sounds like faith to me.

You, I and even the leaders in climate change research have no real understanding as to what influence man has on environment but we don't seek a theologist to give us the answers; we seek scientific evidence, hard fact. Faith is belief that is not based on proof; whilst the climate crisis believers may make assumptions, there is underlying science Or ‘proof’ it is based on. There’s no element of faith in science whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

No, you're wrong. It's very common for aetheists to organise themselves, particularly in countries where they are in a minority (America, for example), or not particularly tolerated. They hold conferences, rallies and retreats. They produce literature on the subject and give speeches on it; not at all unlike religious people do with their beliefs. See http://www.atheists.org/ for starters. I don't see anything wrong with them organising themselves and it doesn't detract from their arguments, but I do find funny

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

Of course, not all aetheists do, just as not all people who believe in God go to Church regularly.

Gathering together with a shared interest is hardly something unique to atheism, and it is for freedom FROM religion that they seek, not a gathering to discuss it. The literature produced is discussion not scriptures and freedom of thought is actively encouraged.

I’m glad you find all that funny though, because then you can begin to understand just how hilarious we find religion

Why is it the case that people who have no belief in God feel it important to prove that individuals that do are in the wrong? Is it seated in a deep jealosy and the only way that they can feel good about themselves is to attempt to destroy the faith that others have.

Funny how being an aethiest promotes freedom and religion the opposite especially Islam.