Can contersteering be overdone to a dangerous point?

For fu*k sake leave it alone now will you all?! I just wanted to know if the inital force on the bars can put you shiny side down. That's all. No more and no less. No way on this planet will I ever use weighting pegs as an effective method of steering. Never have and never will. If I do I won't hope to turn more than a few degrees in which case I might as well go out tomorrow, find a bush and throw myself in it.

In that case, the answer is yes, which of course was a pretty bloody obvious answer.
Yank the bars violently (overdoing countersteering) will put you on your ****.

But then you knew that before psoting right? So why ask in the first place?

If everyone answered "Yes" or "No" to every question it would be a pretty bloody boring forum wouldn't it?

I've enjoyed being a part of this thread because it's caused me to really analyse steering in general and countersteering into it's most basic parts. Hopefully, someone, somewhere learnt something from some of the above.

Just for clarity, riding into walls will cause you to crash, Not leaning in bends will put you in a hedge, pouring sand into the engine will break it, riding at night with no lights is dangereous and grabbing the brakes will lock the wheels. Just in case you were in any doubt

And what you doing up and 4am?

Carl
(tongue in cheek in case you didn't realise)

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by Berlin

Erm, he either doesn't understand Counter steering (possible, but incredible) is using a different set of physics (improbable) or is defining countersteering is the part where the bike is being *kept* leant over. You can, catagorically, without doubt *initiate* countersteering with weight transfer (or more correctly, with the rate of weight transfer). But you must have your hands on the bars to *continue* counter steering once the bike is over. No hands on the bars and the rake and trail will bring the bike back to straight.

It has turned a bit philosophical. It's impractical to steer without bar input and poor technic to corner with a closed throttle so the argument on whether you can sway your way around the corner has no real practical purpose. However, it's nice to debate.

The CSS get you to take you left hand off the bars and only enough pressure on to tun the throttle (with 2 fingers) rather than have any force to turn, as once you are in a turn and you have the right line you don't need to countersteer. No hands doesn't bring it back to straight, the front wheel follows the angle of the turn you have made.

Getting back to teriyakimonkey question, I don't think you can countersteer to quickly, only too far for an given circumstance and that would be user error - when was the last time you heard a racer say they lost the front as although he tyres were working perfectly and I was going the right speed I countersteered to fast for the bike? hehe, I'd love to hear that excuse

Sorry about that. I was a little drunk. I think my question has been more than answered, thanks.

What happens if I put my sidestand down while I'm riding along? He he.

Originally Posted by teriyakimonkey

Sorry about that. I was a little drunk. I think my question has been more than answered, thanks.

What happens if I put my sidestand down while I'm riding along? He he.

Philbut does that when appraoching his house, he kicks the sidestand to kill the engine. This can't be a good practice.

Ok here's one: How can I run over my own foot on a bike?

[flymo]

Originally Posted by teriyakimonkey

Ok here's one: How can I run over my own foot on a bike?

I reckon you have more chance of busting your collar bone trying

Originally Posted by Warthog

Philbut does that when appraoching his house, he kicks the sidestand to kill the engine. This can't be a good practice.

my other half does this too - though at a standstill only!

Interestingly there's now talk on the gixxer forums that this may be the cause of a fault experienced by some (including him) re the bike's power delivery.

All very mysterious, and makes me even less likely to kill the engine in this way. I mean why would you want to do that anyway when you can press an exciting red button (a.k.a. kill switch) instead?

[flymo]

the world has gone mad!

I guess this is why the manufacturers feel they need to add safety features like clutch switches and sidestand switches, they just cannot under estimate the level of intelligence of some of their riders.

anyway, I was wondering if its possible to break your nose with the rear numberplate if you squeeze the front brake lever too hard?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by teriyakimonkey

and maybe I'll adjust the trail to make it a bit more stable while I learn.

How were you proposing to do this?
Just curious really.