Can contersteering be overdone to a dangerous point?

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

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They have done experiments on steering without being able to turn the bars and no one cound do it right!

There is my two pence. Sorry if I have said what has already been said but its a lot to read and take in

You certainly have! You're in trouble. Ummm. I'm telling.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Ive discovered that my new bike requires more countersteer to turn in on really tight corners <20MPH types. Its wierd. Countersteering is always good when you want to get it on its side quick.

At speeds <20mph(ish) you need to turn the bars the correct way ... i.e. going right, pull right handlebar, push left ... surely countersteering at slow speed would send you left (if intending to go right)?

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

At speeds <20mph(ish) you need to turn the bars the correct way ... i.e. going right, pull right handlebar, push left ... surely countersteering at slow speed would send you left (if intending to go right)?

Its not exactly countersteering in the normal manor. If I left the handle bars to turn into the corner by themselves then they feel like they will turn too far... So I have to push against the handle bars to stop this, feels a lot like countersteering constantly... I suppose it is countersteering in a sense. Hope that is clearer than mud. :P

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Its not exactly countersteering in the normal manor. If I left the handle bars to turn into the corner by themselves then they feel like they will turn too far... So I have to push against the handle bars to stop this, feels a lot like countersteering constantly... I suppose it is countersteering in a sense. Hope that is clearer than mud. :P

Ah gottya - yeah the bike tends to 'fall in' and you have to stop the bars from turning, not really turning them the other way, just stopping them from turning more by themselves!! .... I find this is quite pronounced if you put a 70 section front on an SV ... I really don't like 'fighting' the front like this and why I don't recommend it for road use

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Ah gottya - yeah the bike tends to 'fall in' and you have to stop the bars from turning, not really turning them the other way, just stopping them from turning more by themselves!! .... I find this is quite pronounced if you put a 70 section front on an SV ... I really don't like 'fighting' the front like this and why I don't recommend it for road use

Might be why the Falco does it then... But ill tell you it makes sense on the long corners and the fast tight stuff too. OH BABY. Love it..

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Might be why the Falco does it then... But ill tell you it makes sense on the long corners and the fast tight stuff too. OH BABY. Love it..

What's your definition of 'long corners and the fast tight stuff'?

Not sure if your bike is 60 section as standard, but I'd say its gotta be impossible to outride a 60 section tyre on the road?!!? Anyone who says so is going so fast its not long before someone/thing catches them out or simply full of it

Well long corners would be like hmph guess its hard to explain without showing someone... Sweeping corners where you don't have to slow down you just lean in and keep the throttle pinned.

Fast tighter ones... There is a bypass near my house which has roundabouts on it with no exits (so no other traffic except the bypass uses the roundabouts) so you can hammer it round. Break hard going in lean it to the left flick it to the right (knee down action if that's what you like) then flick it to the left again and gun it.

My rear is a 180/55x17 on a 6" rim.