Road Positioning

Well I rarely use both sides of roads, not much point. When im wanting to over take I may stop out to get better visability but if its a clear road (no one in front of me) then ill stay on my side.

People mention streight lining turns. Im at a loss as to why you would want to. IMO the best bit of biking is getting it leaning over.

As for advanced riding. Its basically common sense. Its not like someone will never have the knowledge of an IAM rider without doing an IAM course, experience will no doubt teach you as much if not a damn sight more.

So if you dont have much Exp then go for it no doubt you will learn something from the IAM fella's/ladies.

On a side note I hate Elitist *****s.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by mister c

If you need to come up to a bend on the wrong side of the road to see what is coming, then that would suggest to me that you were going too fast for the road & conditions. So the easiest solution is to "read" the road, slow down where necessary, use vanishing points on bends and ride smoothly.

I approach some bends on the wrong side of the road if i have a good view ahead doesn't mean i'm going to fast for the raod and conditions as Baph says it's not a need but he has chosen to do it.

Originally Posted by Baph

See my above post (edited rather than posting a new one).

Blue_ is generalising because of an assumption. That's not "IAM bashing," that's Blue_ being Blue_.

EDIT: Hell, your first quote by Blue_, I interpret as him saying IAM is good, and has it's purpose, although it might not be for everyone.

Ok that's your opinion but the reason of "that's Blue_ being Blue_" doesn't really work for me. I took it as IAM riders are "ignorant/arrogant" again generalising becuase of an assumption doesn't work for me. Assumption is after all the mother of all f*** ups

[dirtydog]

Edit: yes i agree that some IAM/Rospa riders are arrogant muppets but that goes for anyone in any group of people, they would probably still be arrogant muppets if they weren't IAM riders wouldn't they?

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Assumption is after all the mother of all f*** ups

I give you Blue_SV650S.

I wouldn't take comments too personally, unless the comments were close to a nerve.

Originally Posted by Baph

. If I'm coming up fast behind an advanced rider, and they don't move over (and worse, actively move to increase their view, putting them in places I want to be to overtake), they're hindering my progress, and I wouldn't call that very advanced riding.

IMO, we should all be riding so that we do not cause any other road user to change direction or speed (this includes slowing down). That's certainly what I try to achieve.

If someone wants to pass me, I'll wave them past.

I dont agree with this. Why should someone who is riding at the speed limit move over or compromise their road position for someone who is speeding or riding like a ****. If you are riding slower than the person behind by all means wave them past but its their problem to pass you safely and not for you to move over to make it easier for them. oooh all the sensible stuff so early in the morning, I will need to go back to bed to recover

Originally Posted by kitkat

I dont agree with this. Why should someone who is riding at the speed limit move over or compromise their road position for someone who is speeding or riding like a ****. If you are riding slower than the person behind by all means wave them past but its their problem to pass you safely and not for you to move over to make it easier for them. oooh all the sensible stuff so early in the morning, I will need to go back to bed to recover

I dont agree Kat. Its quite easy to let them past. Granted on a tight turn I wouldnt but on a streight or slight bend with a decent view ahead then I cant see the problem in moving over at all.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Baph

I give you Blue_SV650S.

I wouldn't take comments too personally, unless the comments were close to a nerve.

I don't take them personally bit it does irritate me when people use general assumptions )i.e how many times on here do people moan about being pulled etc as the copper has assumed that becuase they'r eon a bike they must be breaking the law that sort of thing? ) and then use that assumption to incinuate that i'm ignorant/arrogant etc.

As for the comments being close to a nerve, nah nowhere near. Just beacuse i have passed my IAM test doesn't mean i ride by their book, I had 10 years of riding experience before i did my IAM test

Originally Posted by kitkat

Why should someone who is riding at the speed limit move over or compromise their road position for someone who is speeding or riding like a ****. If you are riding slower than the person behind by all means wave them past but its their problem to pass you safely and not for you to move over to make it easier for them.

In my example, I was careful to include that the front rider was (perceived as) deliberately blocking the back rider from passing. That's a little different to moving over into the gutter to let someone past.

To clarify, I'm perfectly happy if someone wants to hold their own line. I'm competant enough & sensible enough to give them a wide enough birth so as to pass them safely.

But if they're hard on the throttle in straights (and for sake of argument have more power than me), then on the brakes for bends (esp bends where I see there's no point in slowing so much) then they are hindering my progress. Something that I don't do to others, so I won't be happy about others doing it to me.

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

I dont agree Kat. Its quite easy to let them past. Granted on a tight turn I wouldnt but on a streight or slight bend with a decent view ahead then I cant see the problem in moving over at all.

+1. Although I can see that more noviced riders may not be happy about moving over, even those without L plates on.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

I dont agree Kat. Its quite easy to let them past. Granted on a tight turn I wouldnt but on a streight or slight bend with a decent view ahead then I cant see the problem in moving over at all.

I agree with KK on this, why should i have to move off of my line to let someone pass? I'm noit saying that i don't do it but why should i compromise my line for someone who is quicker than me? If they're that quick they shouldn't have any trouble getting past me should they?

Originally Posted by Baph

In my example, I was careful to include that the front rider was (perceived as) deliberately blocking the back rider from passing.

you stated they were an advanced rider

That's a little different to moving over into the gutter to let someone past.

To clarify, I'm perfectly happy if someone wants to hold their own line. I'm competant enough & sensible enough to give them a wide enough birth so as to pass them safely.

But if they're hard on the throttle in straights (and for sake of argument have more power than me), then on the brakes for bends (esp bends where I see there's no point in slowing so much) then they are hindering my progress. Something that I don't do to others, so I won't be happy about others doing it to me.

if they are slow round the bends they are unlikely to be "advanced" riders and you should be able to pass them coming out the bend - all about forward observation. If they are "advanced" riders they should be able to hold their line round a bend if not they will be all over the place. If they are point and squirt ie fast in straight slow in bends, you being more experienced and a more advanced rider should have no problem passing them coming out or approaching corner as they will be braking hard for corner. If they ride like this it is probably why they are not letting you past ie they dont even know you are there.


+1. Although I can see that more noviced riders may not be happy about moving over, even those without L plates on.

those with L plates I have seen seem to ride in the gutter anyway, always want to stop them and say get over towards t he middle of the road, it will stop cars squeezing past you.