Thief dies

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

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This is exactly the reason I have no sympathy for them. Its not just theft, its the damage it does to the owner.

Originally Posted by gid

How about the poor sods who had to scrape him up ,and then go and see his parents

I'd leave him where he is, go round his parent's and give them the location of his remains - "Your son's body is at XXXX St, go round and clean up the mess or you'll get a bill from us and the council"

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

I don't.

They are the ones that are so deluded that he was a "good boy".

Which means they either didn't care enough to know what he was up to, or they believed that his actions were perfectly acceptable, and justified it as "youthful hi-jinks" or something like that.

That's a load of cr*p. I would have expected you above others to not make such a generalisation statement. You are saying that any youth that commits crime, it is his/her parents to blame for not bringing them up properly. There are parents out there that do everything they can think of to ensure their kids grow up with good morals and correct judgement. Unfortunately, some times, it does not make an ounce of difference.

Originally Posted by BigApe

There are parents out there that do everything they can think of to ensure their kids grow up with good morals and correct judgement. Unfortunately, some times, it does not make an ounce of difference.

+1. The environment within which the child grows up, especially school (if they have the discipline to even attend ) affects everything about a him/her. A child may have serious issues occurring outside of a home environment that parents never become aware of which is where things become difficult. You cannot help a kid who does not independently look for it.

The thieves in question may fall into this situation, and don't (or didn't in this case) spend enough time at home for the parents to have a decent influence on them. You can't always force a child to do as you bid, if they're rebels from the heart that's what they'll be, even a doting mother and father can't change that.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by BigApe

That's a load of cr*p. I would have expected you above others to not make such a generalisation statement. You are saying that any youth that commits crime, it is his/her parents to blame for not bringing them up properly. There are parents out there that do everything they can think of to ensure their kids grow up with good morals and correct judgement. Unfortunately, some times, it does not make an ounce of difference.

What can I say, I am big on generalisation sometimes

Yes there are those who are off the rails, but surely their parents are aware of that?

Someone who would nick a bike, is bound to have had 101 different signals that they were up to no good that their parents should have picked up on, wouldn't they?

Mind you, thats speaking as someone who has only ever experienced the parenting thing from the "not being one" side.

Someone will be p!ssed off over their bike. They will claim on the insurance and get a new one. Yes it will cost them a bit more in premium, and their rights have been wronged.

Someone else will be organising a funeral for their son.

There is no comparison.

Originally Posted by Ed

Someone will be p!ssed off over their bike. They will claim on the insurance and get a new one. Yes it will cost them a bit more in premium, and their rights have been wronged.

Someone else will be organising a funeral for their son.

There is no comparison.

if the son had chosen a better life path, there would be no funeral, as he wouldn't have stolen it in the first place....

We all have a choice. He chose to steal others property, he chose to ride like a goon on a 125 at a speed fast enough to kill him, he chose to ride without protection.

HE chose that life.

Would you be so sympathitic if he'd have killed an innocent victim?

Do you truley believe if he'd have knocked someone down, he'd have stopped to help, or leave them for dead?

Sorry, but people who chose this kind of lifestyle live their lives in certain ways. They don't care about anyone else, and im sure if he was robbing your house he wouldn't even give a monkies what you thought of him breaking in. In fact, he'd probably laugh about it. Its that kind of mindset.

So no, no sympathy at all. His choice, his choice of friends, his choice of lifestyle. I choose to work to BUY my motorcycle. I think of helping the shop im buying from, the place i buy my gear, aiding another human by helping them financially, and for the good of biking.

This person does not.

So no, I couldn't give a monkies, and as said, its just anoter £50pw saving on dole scroungers.

As said, hope its hot down there (if you believe in all that, which i don't).

treat others how you expect to be treated back. If i stole someones car, i wouldn't expect them to be my friend.

a drink for Daimo at the AR

Daimo, too right.
The guys who stole a car joyriding near me could have easily killed pedestrians since the car turned over on the pavement. If they didn't flip over the car and die there, they may have flipped it at a different point in the road and killed a pedestrian, or another driver. Poeple that put other peoples lives in risk are better off dead than killing others.

Growing up in a poor environment is no excuse for the decisions people make. They can choose to rise above it and actually make something of their lives. I know of one or two cases wher people have had terrible childhoods and been successful. One example is a secondary school teacher i had who grew up in a rough part of east london, without a father, but he decided that this was no excuse for not being successful, and he went on to be a teacher and won several awards over the last couple of years.

Originally Posted by Magnum

Growing up in a poor environment is no excuse for the decisions people make. They can choose to rise above it and actually make something of their lives. I know of one or two cases wher people have had terrible childhoods and been successful. One example is a secondary school teacher i had who grew up in a rough part of east london, without a father, but he decided that this was no excuse for not being successful, and he went on to be a teacher and won several awards over the last couple of years.

Growing up in a "rough area" does not necessarily mean growing up in a bad environment. I lived in rough areas for 7 years of my life, it didn't affect me one bit, or at least I'd like to think it didn't. Living in an area where the only friends you have are drug addicts and prozzies isn't going to help you become a better person. You won't "rise above it" when you're young because - the key word here - you are young and don't know much better or different. Kids are highly impressionable at young ages and will give in to peer pressure without a second thought if not guided differently by parents or other means.

Anyway, slight derail, carry on.