Am I hanging off too much?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by DarrenSV650S

So if you rode in a straight line then theoretically held out an anvil at arms length on one side, you think you would keep riding in a straight line?

It is possible to do that.

[DarrenSV650S]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

It is possible to do that.

Without adjusting/influencing the steering?

I managed to KD my CBR6 and my SP-1, but I could only scrape my toe-slider on my SV

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Not leaned that far over, either, in the photo.

Originally Posted by DarrenSV650S

So if you rode in a straight line then theoretically held out an anvil at arms length on one side, you think you would keep riding in a straight line?

Re-look at the OP's picture and compare it it the COG picture of Valentino Rossi, Valentino is sitting upright and the OP is hanging off the bike. The Honda RC211V is cranked over and the SV650 is almost bolt upright, my point is it is the bike that should be leaning and not the person hanging off of it! Hanging off alters the COG, sitting upright and leaning the bike doesn't...

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Errr.. no, you are shifting all the top weight without altering the centre of gravity by leaning the bike over.

[yorkie_chris]

Any cornering requires the CoG to be moved towards the inside of the corner, i.e off the vertical upwards line from the contact patch.

This is the CoG of the bike-rider system. Which can also be moved in relation to it's normal position by hanging off.

[DarrenSV650S]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Errr.. no, you are shifting all the top weight without altering the centre of gravity by leaning the bike over.

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

Hanging off alters the COG, sitting upright and leaning the bike doesn't...

You seem to be completely contradicting yourself there

[yorkie_chris]

CoG in what respect? It moves with relation to the ground when tipping in, but moves in relation to the centerline of the bike when hanging off.

I think what DD is trying to say is that in order to get a bike round a corner, first and foremost you lean the bike. If you are going fast enough it can also be beneficial to hang off the bike to shift the weight to the inside. Hanging off is a style of riding, not 'the way' to turn the bike.

[DarrenSV650S]

Originally Posted by cartwrim

I think what DD is trying to say is that in order to get a bike round a corner, first and foremost you lean the bike. If you are going fast enough it can also be beneficial to hang off the bike to shift the weight to the inside. Hanging off is a style of riding, not 'the way' to turn the bike.

The original point I was trying to make was that hanging off is good in that it means you can keep the bike more upright, not totally upright. Hanging off means you can lean the bike slightly less. Less lean means more grip

Dangerous Dave disagreed with that

but surely if the bike is more upright it wont go round the corner?