ID Cards

Not opposed to ID cards in the same format as they have them in the rest of Europe, my son has one already, he's dual nationality, as does my wife, it just a passport, but I'm opposed to recording of everyone's biometrics.

Fingerprints kept on record is the domain of criminals, everyone else should have thier privacy respected!

How long before the first miscarriage of justice because an innocent person happened to leave a fingerprint in a place where a crime was later committed?

It's not necessary for the goverment to collect such data to implement ID cards. George Orwell's fiction, here we come.....

Should anyone in Manchester know anyone that gets one of these ID cards, please, PM me & I'll tell you where to post it.

I'd love to play with one.

Re-write it with Jaqui Smith's details & post it to her perhaps, as a demonstration as to the security they'll bring?

Originally Posted by Baph

Re-write it with Jaqui Smith's details & post it to her perhaps, as a demonstration as to the security they'll bring?

They'll just arrest you on terrorism charges - they don't understand you see.

Already been done with Elvis

Originally Posted by simesb

They'll just arrest you on terrorism charges - they don't understand you see.

Already been done with Elvis

No, the Elvis thing was a passport, not an ID card.

I'd love to see them arrest someone for posting something to Jaqui Smith. She'll have a public address as part of her job. The last I knew of it, Royal Mail didn't track senders at all...

Originally Posted by Baph

No, the Elvis thing was a passport, not an ID card.

I am aware of that but it is a similar point - technology the government(s) assures us is secure and for our security actually shown not to be (they seem to need empirical proof because the opinion of experts they aren't paying is much less worthwhile than that of the companies selling them the technology)

[timwilky]

The good people of Manchester are not daft with their money, they know these things will be obsolete next year when Brown gets evicted, so I forecast bugger all sales of the government ID tax

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

They'd have to hold my cold dead body up to the machine

i like your style son

[couldnt work out how to do 2 quotes]
filipe m :"ID cards are not so bad, if done the right way (i.e., without throwing your civil liberties out the window)."

how likely do you reckon that is?

:r ant:

[the_lone_wolf]

Slightly related, on the subject of DNA databases, anyone listen to R4 this morning?

They had some police chief on the programme who managed to say, twice:

"People who are arrested and then released without charge are more likely to go on and re-offend"

Even after it was explained in small words the moron said it again - and these are the people in charge of policing the nation

[SoulKiss]

An example of how I would do an ID card.....

Data present on the card.

1) Photograph for Identity Purposes.
2) Name.
3) Address
4) Date of Birth.
5) Barcode with Unique ID Number (NI number equivilent).
6) Unique ID number in text.
7) Unique ID number encoded in a mag-strip
Unique ID number encoded in a machine readable chip

This is no more information that your Driving License has on it.

The security of the system is provided by a Central Database which has a virtual copy of your ID in it.

If more positive ID is required than just presenting the card, a query is done on the UID, and an image of the card is presented on the checking equipment - which could be ANY smartphone using is a secured connection these days. If the physical and the virtual match then fine - if they dont, then you have a forged physical card, as the physical card would be generated from the virtual image.

No DNA, No Finger Prints and no Personal Information available even if you have access to the scanner/reader equipment.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

An example of how I would do an ID card.....

Data present on the card.

1) Photograph for Identity Purposes.
2) Name.
3) Address
4) Date of Birth.
5) Barcode with Unique ID Number (NI number equivilent).
6) Unique ID number in text.
7) Unique ID number encoded in a mag-strip
Unique ID number encoded in a machine readable chip

This is no more information that your Driving License has on it.

The security of the system is provided by a Central Database which has a virtual copy of your ID in it.

If more positive ID is required than just presenting the card, a query is done on the UID, and an image of the card is presented on the checking equipment - which could be ANY smartphone using is a secured connection these days. If the physical and the virtual match then fine - if they dont, then you have a forged physical card, as the physical card would be generated from the virtual image.

No DNA, No Finger Prints and no Personal Information available even if you have access to the scanner/reader equipment.

My gym membership card is very similar to the above. Only it relies almost solely on a barcode. Scan the barcode & a photo of my ugly mug comes up on the computer (not the picture to the left of this post though!). If the picture looks like me, I can use the gym. If it doesn't, I can't.

I don't see why the government feel the need to over complicate things. Why not just add a barcode to the driving licence & use that without taking extra data?