yay...David Cameron Saves Britain.

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Switzerland is not relevant.It has a population of about 17 and does banking and tourism.You cant base a major economy with a population of nearly 70 million on that.We need to look at similar economies to see the way to go.Germany for instance.Surprise surprise,a major European country that manufactures goods on a grand scale and exports them worldwide.Just like we did before the losers took over as our political class.

Is that a serious argument? Switzerland has a population of over 7 million an an economy that is worth over half a trillion dollars. They are a major economy not some backwater state. To say they only do banking and tourism is a massive and pointless generalisation. With that being the case why not use them as an example of what can be done outside the EU?

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by ravingdavis

To say they only do banking and tourism is a massive and pointless generalisation.

Don't forget the watches

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by ravingdavis

Is that a serious argument? Switzerland has a population of over 7 million an an economy that is worth over half a trillion dollars. They are a major economy not some backwater state. To say they only do banking and tourism is a massive and pointless generalisation. With that being the case why not use them as an example of what can be done outside the EU?

They are about 1/10 the size of the UK and have almost no industry.They do what they do pretty well but are not comparable to us.Just like Norway is not comparable because they have a small population and lots of oil.We need to base our future on similar countries like Germany and horror of horrors France if we are not to continue our decline into third world status.If we cant do it then we are truely screwed.I dont see any other options.

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

They are about 1/10 the size of the UK and have almost no industry.They do what they do pretty well but are not comparable to us.

I think we are just going to have to disagree on this topic then

Our Dave doesn't want to be in the club but still thinks he should be able to tell them what to do... So M Sarkozy tells him to 'allez-vous en'.

I don't see why we should pay taxes to help bail out Eurozone.

The pound has served us well for 1,000 years. Yes we live in a different world now, but that's what they said in the 16th century too.

And my namesake Ed, on BBC News 24 thinking we're on our own now, all isolated, no mates. Y'know, that bloke is such a lightweight that if he fell out of a boat he wouldn't get wet.

Overall - not ideal but the better of the options I think.

Anyway I bumped into Frau Merkel in Sainsbos. Top bit of totty, Frau Merkelher taste in clothes from the Oxfam shop is particularly good Anyways I asked her if the crisis in the €-zone is now an emergency, and she said 'Nein nein nein'

Coat please

Originally Posted by Ed

Our Dave doesn't want to be in the club but still thinks he should be able to tell them what to do... So M Sarkozy tells him to 'allez-vous en'.

I don't see why we should pay taxes to help bail out Eurozone.

The pound has served us well for 1,000 years. Yes we live in a different world now, but that's what they said in the 16th century too.

And my namesake Ed, on BBC News 24 thinking we're on our own now, all isolated, no mates. Y'know, that bloke is such a lightweight that if he fell out of a boat he wouldn't get wet.

Overall - not ideal but the better of the options I think.

Anyway I bumped into Frau Merkel in Sainsbos. Top bit of totty, Frau Merkelher taste in clothes from the Oxfam shop is particularly good Anyways I asked her if the crisis in the €-zone is now an emergency, and she said 'Nein nein nein'

Coat please

Lol, lol, lol.
Lol.

[punyXpress]

Don't forget Swiss Rolls ( Germany owns the other sort )

[fizzwheel]

He was damned if he did and damned if he didnt.

I think somebody at last with some balls to say "I am doing what I think is best for our country" and its about bl**dy time to. I dont care if he is proven ultimately wrong. At least he tried to do something about it, rather than sitting on the fence or just going with the crowd.

Its difficult to stand up for what you think is right in the face of massive pressure to conform from your peers.

From my own perspective, Liz and I go to Ireland alot, their whole economy is completely screwed. There are lots of young people who cannot get jobs and are now leaving the country in droves to find employment, its being called a brain drain.

I'd not want a situation where they Euro goes down the pan and takes our economy with it. I can see that even now that might happen. I agree its better to be involved with Europe and influence things from the inside, but when the ship starts to sink you have to eventually get into the lifeboat if you want to survive and thats is what I see this as.

[timwilky]

As for swiss industry. Where do you think our Turbine/Generator manufacturing capability has been moved out to. The swiss may not be large scale manufacturers. But they do specialist engineering very well.

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by timwilky

As for swiss industry. Where do you think our Turbine/Generator manufacturing capability has been moved out to. The swiss may not be large scale manufacturers. But they do specialist engineering very well.

Thats kind of my point.They make good watch mechanisms as well,but not very many these days
We still make the best F1 cars in the world but not very many.None of that will ever create the several million jobs that we require,and to be solvent we need many of those jobs to be in productive exporting industry.I still dont see the leadership we will need to get there and dont tell me it cant be done because if the Germans can so can we.