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29-01-22, 09:34 PM | #11 |
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Because it works. Once you experience it you understand what the purpose is.
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29-01-22, 10:01 PM | #12 |
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29-01-22, 10:57 PM | #13 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_L5G6ldX0s
Of course some people still ignore it and cross even up to red, but it just gives extra notice. It's a bit like the traffic lights which also use a countdown timer to show when it's going to change from red back to green, a great idea as it removes a lot of frustration when you know how long it's going to be. Not necessary but helpful.
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29-01-22, 11:19 PM | #14 |
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Sitting here in utter amazement here.
Feel free to pop down to London any time and I'll give you a tour of my daily 10 mile each way commute and let you count how many sets of light cyclist's (and cockwombles on electric scooters) do NOT run and you will have loads of space on one hand left. |
30-01-22, 07:41 AM | #15 | |
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I guess it works for them (in the same way some countries go directly from red to green) but I can't see any clear benefit to it - unless there's a case for better visibility for colour-blind people. The count-down on pedestrian lights are interesting. As a fast walker, I can start crossing on 0 and can still make it across before the lights change. As a slower walker, this wouldn't be a case, so may not go below (e.g.) 5. It's great as it lets pedestrians make an educated decision. For vehicles, there should be less variability in speed really. |
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30-01-22, 02:28 PM | #16 | |
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It's become a race to the bottom, with everyone jockeying for space and in a selfish hurry. In general being hit by a car/van running a red is likely to be more serious than being hit by a cycle/e-scooter, but 'two wrongs don't make a right' so that's not a good enough reason to excuse any of it. I'm a pretty assertive cyclist when I ride (incl. a fair bit of commuting over the years in Manchester/Birmingham/other, though not London) but I've always drawn the line at running reds - I won't defend the indefensible. How about we agree that everyone should stop at lights and be courteous and considerate to each other? Could that work?
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30-01-22, 02:37 PM | #17 |
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30-01-22, 03:20 PM | #18 | |
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(ooooooh look a pig just flew past my window!) It's ingrained in the cycling commuter brigade that it's perfectly ok to run lights, ignore zebra crossings and to get exceptionally vocal with anyone who calls them out on it and will continue to be that way because if ANY vehicle is involved in an accident with a cycle then they are automatically blamed and the cyclists know this and take the P. Treat it like 'No Insurance' - pull them over, crush the bike and give them points on the driving licence for it. That would significantly cut down the issues. |
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30-01-22, 04:01 PM | #19 |
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Points, yes. Not sure about crushing, not without impounding and charging a release and storage fee first. As with so many things though it can only be administered by a real Rozzer, and we just don't have enough of them on the roads.
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