Any advice over apealing parking tickets? I GOT LET OFF! - SV650.org

14-03-06, 09:13 AM

Ok, so I ran out of petrol on the Mall.

I've got a dicky stomach at the moment so I didn't want to push it to a bike bay and so I parked it on the pavement and got a taxi to the nearest petrol station. When I got back, I found a Metropolitan Police Parking Offense ticket

Nice huh?

It says I can request a court hearing instead of paying. Do I stand a chance of getting off the ticket by pleading for leniancy? I have the petrol station receipt to show that I bought fuel at the time the ticket was issued.

Thanks in advance...

14-03-06, 09:39 AM

It depends entirely upon whether you want to go through the trauma and intense aggravation of the appeal process. Spiderman is the guy you want as regards advice as he (thankfully) fights the system left, right, and centre - but he's in Italy for a couple of weeks.

I'd grind your teeth and simply pay it.

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14-03-06, 09:44 AM

Sorry to say, 99% of the time you have to roll over and take it. Makes me furious though. I got one the other day!!!

If this helps

14-03-06, 09:45 AM

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14-03-06, 09:48 AM

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northwind · 14-03-06, 10:10 AM

If you want a purely pragmatic way of looking at it... It'll cost you more in lost time to fight it, even if you're succesful, than you'll save. If you need to take a morning off work to sit in court, there's really no point.

But you never know, if you applied in writing you might have a chance of avoiding it without spending so much time on it. Not sure about that.

14-03-06, 11:35 AM

I got a parking ticket on my car. It was an honest oversight from me. I met friends in the car park, got chatting and forgot to pay. Got back to the car and it had a ticket on it.

Appealed against the ticket with a letter, but enclosed a cheque to cover the fine as well. They let me off and returned the cheque.

14-03-06, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobs

I got a parking ticket on my car. It was an honest oversight from me. I met friends in the car park, got chatting and forgot to pay. Got back to the car and it had a ticket on it.

Appealed against the ticket with a letter, but enclosed a cheque to cover the fine as well. They let me off and returned the cheque.

Ah, for a bit of human decency. None of that with London parking wardens, I fear.

14-03-06, 04:28 PM

I got away with this one

http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.ph...ighlight=yokel

Bit of tippex and photocopier action to *ahem* amend the service schedule and remove the time stamp (which was before the ticket was issued.)

Give them your excuse, and send in a copy of the garage petrol receipt to prove it really had run out, you'll probably get away with it.

16-03-06, 12:26 AM

Press release 15 March 2006, for immediate release.

B R I T I S H W E I G H T S & M E A S U R E S ASSOCIATION

British Weights & Measures Association uncovers a legal defect that
could render all parking penalty charges illegal.

A recent survey conducted by the British Weights & Measures Association
into the legality of the metrication law revels that local authorities
were applying one principle of the law for traders selling in imperial
measures and a different but wrong principle for enforcing parking
fines.

This means either all parking fines must be refunded, or the Metric
Martyrs must be pardoned. The survey shows that Local Authorities
rejected the basis of the metrication law. Of course, this is wholly
understandable because £1billion-worth of parking fines annually are
under threat of being refunded.

Following Lord Justice Laws' 2002 Divisional Court judgement, which
found the Metric Martyrs guilty, no "ordinary" laws could be used to
impose fines without a court conviction. The 1689 Bill of Rights is
still in force and it says: 'That all grants and promises of fines and
forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and
void'. It nullifies the Road Traffic Act 1991 which gives local
authorities power to impose fines without trial.

The Local Authorities have been forced to make a choice and decided
against Lord Justice Laws' 2002 Divisional Court judgement.

The BWMA is writing to all 200 local trading standards authorities,
calling for them to cease enforcement of metric regulations. This is
because, by their own evidence, they could no longer legally enforce
metric measures.

Traders will once again be able to sell bananas by the pound!

NOTES TO EDITORS

Before the Metric Martyr's trial (where shopkeepers were found guilty of
the criminal offence of selling in pounds and ounces) it was a principle
of British law that where two Acts conflict then the more recent Act
prevails. Under this rule they would have won their case and continued
to sell their fish and fruit by the pound and ounce.

A Hierarchy of Acts was created by Lord Justice Laws in the Divisional
Court in 2002 and consists of "constitutional" Acts which take
precedence over later but "ordinary" Acts. The Divisional Court ruled
that, since metric regulations flow from the prior "constitutional"
European Communities Act 1972, they now take precedence over the later
but "ordinary" Weights and Measures Act 1985 that allows pounds and
ounces, feet and inches, etc.

Constitutional expert Mr Robin de Crittenden observed that Lord Justice
Laws also identified the Bill of Rights 1689 as a "constitutional"
statute. This Act forbids the imposition of fines or forfeits without a
conviction in a court of law. So, the Bill of Rights 1689 takes
precedence over the later but "ordinary" Road Traffic Act 1991 that was
intended to allow parking fines to be imposed without the need for a
conviction by a court of law.

Thus, the "Hierarchy of Acts" that makes pounds and ounces unlawful also
makes the issuing of automatic parking fines unlawful.

Motorists have been challenging their parking fines by invoking the
"constitutional" Bill of Rights 1689 i.e. to declare their parking fines
"illegal and void". Local Authorities, however, rejected the
'Hierarchy of Acts'. None agreed to apply the "constitutional" Bill of
Rights 1689 over the later but "ordinary" Road Traffic Act 1991.

BWMA believes that this response makes the enforcement of metric
regulations untenable, since how can trading standards officers apply
metric regulations dependent on a 'Hierarchy of Acts' that their own
legal departments dismiss?

BWMA has therefore written to all trading standards authorities calling
on them to cease metric enforcement. As long as authorities regard the
Road Traffic Act 1991 as lawful, then so too must be the Weights and
Measures Act 1985, meaning lb/oz, our customary measures, are also
lawful.

Full details of the BWMA analysis of Local Authority responses to the
survey are on the web site at: http://www.bwmaonline.com
<http://www.bwmaonline.com/> Click on :
Local Authorities' doubts over Lord Justice Laws' ruling on Hierarchy of
Acts. <http://www.bwmaonline.com/Legal%20-%20BWMA%20Analysis.htm>

Information on the Metric Martyrs at: www.metricmartyrs.com

Further information contact Mr. John Gardner, BWMA Director, 98 Eastney
Road, Croydon CR0 3TE, Tel. 07986 007994, e-mail JohnGardner@Email.com
Also: Mr Vivian Linacre, President BWMA,Tel/FAX: 01738 783936, e-mail
vtlinacre@yahoo.co.uk

Press release issued by David Delaney, BWMA PRO, tel; 01544 267197

British Weights & Measures Association, 11 Greensleeves Avenue,
Broadstone, Dorset BH18 8BJ, Tel: 020 8922 0089 (24 hr answering m/c)

14-03-06, 09:13 AM	#1
thor Guest Posts: n/a	Any advice over apealing parking tickets? I GOT LET OFF! Ok, so I ran out of petrol on the Mall. I've got a dicky stomach at the moment so I didn't want to push it to a bike bay and so I parked it on the pavement and got a taxi to the nearest petrol station. When I got back, I found a Metropolitan Police Parking Offense ticket Nice huh? It says I can request a court hearing instead of paying. Do I stand a chance of getting off the ticket by pleading for leniancy? I have the petrol station receipt to show that I bought fuel at the time the ticket was issued. Thanks in advance...

14-03-06, 10:10 AM	#6
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	If you want a purely pragmatic way of looking at it... It'll cost you more in lost time to fight it, even if you're succesful, than you'll save. If you need to take a morning off work to sit in court, there's really no point. But you never know, if you applied in writing you might have a chance of avoiding it without spending so much time on it. Not sure about that. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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14-03-06, 09:39 AM	#2
jonboy Guest Posts: n/a	It depends entirely upon whether you want to go through the trauma and intense aggravation of the appeal process. Spiderman is the guy you want as regards advice as he (thankfully) fights the system left, right, and centre - but he's in Italy for a couple of weeks. I'd grind your teeth and simply pay it. .

14-03-06, 09:44 AM	#3
furrybean Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry to say, 99% of the time you have to roll over and take it. Makes me furious though. I got one the other day!!! If this helps

14-03-06, 11:35 AM	#7
Scoobs Guest Posts: n/a	I got a parking ticket on my car. It was an honest oversight from me. I met friends in the car park, got chatting and forgot to pay. Got back to the car and it had a ticket on it. Appealed against the ticket with a letter, but enclosed a cheque to cover the fine as well. They let me off and returned the cheque.

14-03-06, 04:28 PM	#9
Yokel Guest Posts: n/a	I got away with this one http://forums.sv650.org/viewtopic.ph...ighlight=yokel Bit of tippex and photocopier action to ahem amend the service schedule and remove the time stamp (which was before the ticket was issued.) Give them your excuse, and send in a copy of the garage petrol receipt to prove it really had run out, you'll probably get away with it.

16-03-06, 12:26 AM	#10
$tevo Guest Posts: n/a	Press release 15 March 2006, for immediate release. B R I T I S H W E I G H T S & M E A S U R E S ASSOCIATION British Weights & Measures Association uncovers a legal defect that could render all parking penalty charges illegal. A recent survey conducted by the British Weights & Measures Association into the legality of the metrication law revels that local authorities were applying one principle of the law for traders selling in imperial measures and a different but wrong principle for enforcing parking fines. This means either all parking fines must be refunded, or the Metric Martyrs must be pardoned. The survey shows that Local Authorities rejected the basis of the metrication law. Of course, this is wholly understandable because £1billion-worth of parking fines annually are under threat of being refunded. Following Lord Justice Laws' 2002 Divisional Court judgement, which found the Metric Martyrs guilty, no "ordinary" laws could be used to impose fines without a court conviction. The 1689 Bill of Rights is still in force and it says: 'That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void'. It nullifies the Road Traffic Act 1991 which gives local authorities power to impose fines without trial. The Local Authorities have been forced to make a choice and decided against Lord Justice Laws' 2002 Divisional Court judgement. The BWMA is writing to all 200 local trading standards authorities, calling for them to cease enforcement of metric regulations. This is because, by their own evidence, they could no longer legally enforce metric measures. Traders will once again be able to sell bananas by the pound! NOTES TO EDITORS Before the Metric Martyr's trial (where shopkeepers were found guilty of the criminal offence of selling in pounds and ounces) it was a principle of British law that where two Acts conflict then the more recent Act prevails. Under this rule they would have won their case and continued to sell their fish and fruit by the pound and ounce. A Hierarchy of Acts was created by Lord Justice Laws in the Divisional Court in 2002 and consists of "constitutional" Acts which take precedence over later but "ordinary" Acts. The Divisional Court ruled that, since metric regulations flow from the prior "constitutional" European Communities Act 1972, they now take precedence over the later but "ordinary" Weights and Measures Act 1985 that allows pounds and ounces, feet and inches, etc. Constitutional expert Mr Robin de Crittenden observed that Lord Justice Laws also identified the Bill of Rights 1689 as a "constitutional" statute. This Act forbids the imposition of fines or forfeits without a conviction in a court of law. So, the Bill of Rights 1689 takes precedence over the later but "ordinary" Road Traffic Act 1991 that was intended to allow parking fines to be imposed without the need for a conviction by a court of law. Thus, the "Hierarchy of Acts" that makes pounds and ounces unlawful also makes the issuing of automatic parking fines unlawful. Motorists have been challenging their parking fines by invoking the "constitutional" Bill of Rights 1689 i.e. to declare their parking fines "illegal and void". Local Authorities, however, rejected the 'Hierarchy of Acts'. None agreed to apply the "constitutional" Bill of Rights 1689 over the later but "ordinary" Road Traffic Act 1991. BWMA believes that this response makes the enforcement of metric regulations untenable, since how can trading standards officers apply metric regulations dependent on a 'Hierarchy of Acts' that their own legal departments dismiss? BWMA has therefore written to all trading standards authorities calling on them to cease metric enforcement. As long as authorities regard the Road Traffic Act 1991 as lawful, then so too must be the Weights and Measures Act 1985, meaning lb/oz, our customary measures, are also lawful. Full details of the BWMA analysis of Local Authority responses to the survey are on the web site at: http://www.bwmaonline.com <http://www.bwmaonline.com/> Click on : Local Authorities' doubts over Lord Justice Laws' ruling on Hierarchy of Acts. <http://www.bwmaonline.com/Legal%20-%20BWMA%20Analysis.htm> Information on the Metric Martyrs at: www.metricmartyrs.com Further information contact Mr. John Gardner, BWMA Director, 98 Eastney Road, Croydon CR0 3TE, Tel. 07986 007994, e-mail JohnGardner@Email.com Also: Mr Vivian Linacre, President BWMA,Tel/FAX: 01738 783936, e-mail vtlinacre@yahoo.co.uk Press release issued by David Delaney, BWMA PRO, tel; 01544 267197 British Weights & Measures Association, 11 Greensleeves Avenue, Broadstone, Dorset BH18 8BJ, Tel: 020 8922 0089 (24 hr answering m/c)