New rule at Sainsbury's

[dizzyblonde]

surely filling your tank to the brim will wash lubricant out of the lock, eventually seize up the lock, rendering it a pain in the butt and pretty useless?

Originally Posted by MattCo

Miss YC has it right. It is simply good manners and respectful of the person behind the counter to remove the thing... that is something that is sorely lacking in the world today.

Hmm, I don't agree. But as I said it's personal opinion. I could get worked up that men walking down the street don't tip their hats (heads?) towards each woman they pass - I could say it's just bad manners not to, and that it's lacking in the world today. But....it's subjective, which is my whole point. I don't consider it rude to keep my helmet on, I would consider it rude if I kept my visor down, etc, but with visor up, where you can see me, I don't consider it so.

Something closer to what you describe, do you also think it is rude if someone doesn't remove their hat before being served?

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

surely filling your tank to the brim will wash lubricant out of the lock, eventually seize up the lock, rendering it a pain in the butt and pretty useless?

... that probably explains my tight lock..... thanks

Lukemillar: "I've never understood why people get so upset about having to take their helmets off spouting civil rights infruingements and other carp. It's polite!"

...but the people asking you to remove your lid never are: They're invariably middle-aged women who adopt a patronising tone of a mother scolding a wayward child. Which makes you all the more inclined to keep it on. I'll remove my lid at night going into an otherwise empty petrol station as a courtesy to the attendant, particularly if it's a female on her own. In the middle of the day at a busy services with about 20 other people queuing up to pay? They can go forth and multiply.

Unless you're prepared to lock the door upon seeing a biker approaching in a lid and treat it as a robbery until proven otherwise (and this is consistently enforced), the whole argument for removing the lid on the grounds of robbery prevention is null. Once someone has queued up and got their money/card out, challenging them will just alienate them. That leaves the argument about removing the lid before fuelling: If you won't turn on the pumps, I'll ride elsewhere. If I'm out of fuel, I'll put £2 in and go to the next garage. If the fuel's in my tank, I'll attempt to pay and it's not my fault if you won't take my money.

It is not a legal requirement to remove your lid and until it is, when I do so will be entirely at my discretion.

How is it robbery prevention? not being able to see someone's face doesn't make them a robber, it's usually the swag bag.

Originally Posted by jamesrichardson

How is it robbery prevention? not being able to see someone's face doesn't make them a robber, it's usually the swag bag.

It supposedly deters people as concealing their face draws attention to them. This rather unsound 'argument' conveniently overlooks the following:
- Whilst CCTV footage quality in new systems is improving, a lot of older garages have old systems that simply show someone was doing the garage over and it wasn't the person behind the till pocketing the money.
- CCTV has had no discernable effect on shoplifting. I suspect the same can be said of robberies.
- Career criminals don't knock off garages/petrol stations any more. Those who do are desperate and in many cases, drug addicts. These people are usually so short-term in their thinking that they don't bother with gloves, masks, etc. So not wearing a mask is no guarantee they won't be doing your shop over.
- Plenty of other people in society conceal their faces quite legitimately; People in fancy dress, people with sunglasses on, Muslim women, Fuke Buddhists, even full beards or long hair can conceal enough of the face to make IDing difficult. That's before you consider the other things like baseball caps that whilst not concealing the face to other people make it hard for CCTV to see them.
-A mask, ironically, actually draws attention to people and makes other aspects of them more memorable to witnesses. If you see a guy in a suit carrying a holdall and running, you'll assume he's late for a squash game. See him with a mask over his face and you'll assume he's a robber, clock the fact it's a green adidas bag and that he gets into a blue van.

Originally Posted by muffles

Something closer to what you describe, do you also think it is rude if someone doesn't remove their hat before being served?

A hat does not cover up your whole face, you are missing the point I think. Just being able to see someone's eyes (and a bit of cheek and nose ) is not enough, there are such things as "kind" and "cruel" faces, eyes do not necessarily give everything away.

I understand that people behind counters are not always willing to be polite (indeed for many this word is completely foreign to them ), but the way I see it I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt and respond in what I think to be a polite manner - by taking my lid off - as opposed to potentially irritating them. I'm not saying that taking your lid off before entering a shop should be compulsory. I'm not saying by wearing your lid in a shop you are likely to be deemed a robber and treated accordingly. I have just simply said I feel removing my lid before entering a shop is polite and I shall continue to do so knowing I'm not going to cause any aggro.

Admittedly being female I probably don't automatically make people think "aggressive" and "rude" (I bloody well hope not anyway!) but hey ho. As someone said, whether a biker is male or female does become fairly obvious but there are ladies who walk like men and vice versa lol, so in that respect, yes it's difficult to judge.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

- Plenty of other people in society conceal their faces quite legitimately; People in fancy dress, people with sunglasses on, Muslim women, Fuke Buddhists, even full beards or long hair can conceal enough of the face to make IDing difficult. That's before you consider the other things like baseball caps that whilst not concealing the face to other people make it hard for CCTV to see them.

thats exactly why i dont think they can make you remove your helmet.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by jamesrichardson

thats exactly why i dont think they can make you remove your helmet.

well i didn't like to say that, glad somebody else did.

Originally Posted by missyorkie_chris

A hat does not cover up your whole face, you are missing the point I think. Just being able to see someone's eyes (and a bit of cheek and nose ) is not enough, there are such things as "kind" and "cruel" faces, eyes do not necessarily give everything away.

Well that's the thing, in my mind I am getting the point. I've seen myself in the mirror with my helmet on, you can see my eyes, nose, cheeks, mouth, quite a lot actually (it's a Shoei XR-1000). Maybe if I had one of those nose/breath-covering things I'd be more willing to accept that argument, but as it is, with my helmet (and a vast majority of helmets don't have those guards), I'm not. Again - just my opinion on it.

Re: wearing a hat...but, I can't see their hair? It could also cover their ears - kind of impolite if they don't make an effort to hear what the cashier's saying, no?

At the end of the day, the argument you're putting forward (as I see it) is that if all someone can see is a pair of eyes and hear some mumbling, it's rude...which I can go with. But I don't think that's what people see/hear when I go to pay (although I'll concede that when wearing my neck warmer it could be!).

As an aside I'd hope that people (cashiers) would show me (customer) some courtesy in not having to undress myself to pay, given the time/effort, and assuming they can clearly hear me and I'm not inconveniencing them greatly. It sorta works both ways!