Racism in the UK in 2011

[kaivalagi]

Originally Posted by specialone

Just heard on local news, white children only account for 48% in birmingham schools, by 2024 that will also be for adults as well.

FFS, we wont have a country left at this rate, and we worry about the BNP

Our country is made up of lots of colours and just because a particular area of the country has a smaller proportion of whites it doesn't mean it is any less British...I bet most non whites in your area are second generation British atleast......I'm not sure you meant it to come out the way it did? Did I mis-understand?

Sorry if I come across as a little sensitive , but I have my reasons. My wife is Fijian and dark in colour (Melanesian) and we have a 7 year old son and baby girl on the way. We lived together in Fiji for 4 years and moved back to the UK in 2004. I've seen enough awkward behaviour ("passive racism" I guess you could call it) in the Norwich area and have had to console my wife enough times (in the early days) when she couldn't take anymore of the looks and stares she was getting. When you are walking down the street with your wife and you get this claustrophobic feeling that everyone is looking at you, at first thinking your paranoid, but after a while realising your not, it is a little disconcerting to say the least. Now luckily that is the worst it has got, there has been no directed anger etc yet...

Interestingly, in contrast, when I was living and working in Fiji it was completely different. Although there is some angst between indigenous and indo populations in places (more about land and money and cultural clashes really), racism is not even on the agenda for the most part, people might make a remark that could be taken as racist here but no one cares there, there is a greater love and respect for all if you know what I mean. As the only white guy in the community, living up in the hills for quite some time, I felt part of the gang and was no way ever made to feel like I was an outsider...go figure!

I think there is just too much talk about racism and this idea of politically correct behaviour carp is getting out of control, with the media pushing it too hard, and law in general making too much of it all.

If everyone was to just get on with life, and not be afraid to approach one another because of the negative hype, wouldn't things be so much better...?

Dude, perhaps you did take my post the wrong way or I posted incorrectly.

But come live in one of these areas where the White population is a minority, just see how much racism you receive, I bet you'd change your opinion in a heart beat.
I know it's human nature, bur they make zero effort to integrate, they overwhelm an area so it forces whites out, then their area expands and expands so it becomes a big problem.

I challenge anyone to live in a predominately Asian area if not Asian themselves, it just wouldn't be pleasant I can assure you.
No shops stock British goods, all Asian, I understand if your target customer base is Asian then you'd have no need to.

Like or loathe it, there will always be a them and us, it's the way we are programmed, they don't want to integrate the same way all the ex pats in Spain etc mostly live in British communities over there, it's a comfort zone.

My point about the bnp is they are seen as right wing radicals, you don't think there is a bigger problem with Muslim extremists in these areas ?
Every single terrorist incident, the suspects have mostly come from Birmingham, Leicester or Bradford all high Asian predominate areas.

Btw I don't consider myself racist, I can get on with anyone who isn't a c**t, but I don't want to feel like a minority in my own country, especially in the area I grew up in.
Sorry if my views offend, they're not meant to.

[timwilky]

Racism is a load of bollox, Firstly I am not British. I object to the term and never tick that box. I am English, why should I be associated with sweats, sheep sh*ggers or spade humpers.

My brother was attacked in an Edinburgh pub for being a sassanech barsteward taking their jobs. He was saved by the sweats he had recruited and trained who pointed out they had no jobs until he had taken them on.

I have had a sheep sh*gging police officer call me an English B@stard and escort me back to the border between them and civilisation.

As for them over the water, what can I say Dave Preston and rest my case. what gives him the right to come over here, drinking our beer and bumping uglies with our redheads.


As a kid I didn't recognise race apart from one family across the fields were polish and spoke a different language at home. So what when Mark and Adam were playing out with us, they spoke English.

As I grew up, I had a fight with Black Dennis's son. He was know as Black Dennis, because he was. He was the best plasterer around. If you wanted him to do a job. you didn't go into the pub looking for Dennis, you went in looking for a black face. Did I fight his son because he was black? Hell no. I fought him because he was a nasty little **** who had smacked my little sister.

I suppose I was at secondary school before I took a serious dislike to somebody that may have been colour based. He was the only black lad in the school and my first day on the bus he started spitting at all the new kids trying to provoke a fight.

When I started work, there was one black kid in the 300 new apprentices. Nutter he was. Game for a laugh. What a pity he is now in Broadmoor. (the voices, dead but still warm girlfriend, what the hell one last time).

So I suppose I have not really been exposed to many coloured or foreign people during my formative years. They certainly didn't go to catholic prep schools. So I guess I haven't needed to form negative views of people I have never met.

To close. I would rather have a 1000 hard working immigrants living in my village that 10 skiving idle dole scrounging English.

Originally Posted by kaivalagi

I've seen enough awkward behaviour ("passive racism" I guess you could call it) in the Norwich area and have had to console my wife enough times (in the early days) when she couldn't take anymore of the looks and stares she was getting. When you are walking down the street with your wife and you get this claustrophobic feeling that everyone is looking at you, at first thinking your paranoid, but after a while realising your not, it is a little disconcerting to say the least. Now luckily that is the worst it has got, there has been no directed anger etc yet...

To be fair some of this may not be racism as such, they may be looking at you as much as they are her. I used to get this with my Sri Lankan financee as well, and we have friends who are White British Male and Ugandan and they get the same sometimes. It was just surprise on some peoples part as mixed race couples are still relatively rare, especially where there is a big contrast, like a quite dark Sri Lankan and a Ginger white skinned Scot. People stare and think "how the hell did those two end up together?", they are not necessarily thinking anything bad. A large family of Asians walking down the street in flowing robes and women in Burkhas is likely to provoke a more negative reaction from a racist.

When in Mexico we found children were scared of my son, they had never seen a child with such white skin, one little boy said he was an "espectro" (a ghost).

BTW, genetic research shows that mixed race kids are a lot healthier.

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by kaivalagi

Our country is made up of lots of colours and just because a particular area of the country has a smaller proportion of whites it doesn't mean it is any less British...I bet most non whites in your area are second generation British atleast......I'm not sure you meant it to come out the way it did? Did I mis-understand?

Sorry if I come across as a little sensitive , but I have my reasons. My wife is Fijian and dark in colour (Melanesian) and we have a 7 year old son and baby girl on the way. We lived together in Fiji for 4 years and moved back to the UK in 2004. I've seen enough awkward behaviour ("passive racism" I guess you could call it) in the Norwich area and have had to console my wife enough times (in the early days) when she couldn't take anymore of the looks and stares she was getting. When you are walking down the street with your wife and you get this claustrophobic feeling that everyone is looking at you, at first thinking your paranoid, but after a while realising your not, it is a little disconcerting to say the least. Now luckily that is the worst it has got, there has been no directed anger etc yet...

Interestingly, in contrast, when I was living and working in Fiji it was completely different. Although there is some angst between indigenous and indo populations in places (more about land and money and cultural clashes really), racism is not even on the agenda for the most part, people might make a remark that could be taken as racist here but no one cares there, there is a greater love and respect for all if you know what I mean. As the only white guy in the community, living up in the hills for quite some time, I felt part of the gang and was no way ever made to feel like I was an outsider...go figure!

I think there is just too much talk about racism and this idea of politically correct behaviour carp is getting out of control, with the media pushing it too hard, and law in general making too much of it all.

If everyone was to just get on with life, and not be afraid to approach one another because of the negative hype, wouldn't things be so much better...?

Interesting stuff about Fiji.Having lived there and being married to a Fijian you know a lot more about the place than me,but I have visited Fiji a couple of times(long time ago now) and I read the news.I found Fiji to be much as you say with no obvious racism but events there suggest otherwise.There have been a couple of military coupes there in the last twenty years based on the (melanesian) army ousting the (mainly asian)elected government.There seems no doubt that the nation is teetering on the brink of civil war on racial grounds,or have I got that entirely wrong?

[kaivalagi]

Originally Posted by specialone

Dude, perhaps you did take my post the wrong way or I posted incorrectly.
...
Btw I don't consider myself racist, I can get on with anyone who isn't a c**t, but I don't want to feel like a minority in my own country, especially in the area I grew up in.
Sorry if my views offend, they're not meant to.

I totally get where you are coming from, and sorry to make such a sweeping statement...housing associations could do better! And minorities could try and stop being minorities and join the rest of the population...

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

To be fair some of this may not be racism as such, they may be looking at you as much as they are her...

Yeah I guess racism was a strong word, I guess people just need to get out more and see the world a little...

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

BTW, genetic research shows that mixed race kids are a lot healthier.

I saw a TV program on genetic diversity, was really interesting, my children should be nicely resilient to infection and live to a ripe old age....here's hoping

More mixing of genes needs to happen, the human race will be better for it in all sorts of ways...both in social ways and biologically I'd say

[kaivalagi]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Interesting stuff about Fiji.Having lived there and being married to a Fijian you know a lot more about the place than me,but I have visited Fiji a couple of times(long time ago now) and I read the news.I found Fiji to be much as you say with no obvious racism but events there suggest otherwise.There have been a couple of military coupes there in the last twenty years based on the (melanesian) army ousting the (mainly asian)elected government.There seems no doubt that the nation is teetering on the brink of civil war on racial grounds,or have I got that entirely wrong?

It is more political factions than racism I'd say, you have to look into the past to understand it.

Original indo-fijians were there to harvest sugar cane as part of the british rule, over time they were free'd and allowed to live in Fiji like everyone else. Their population now stands at about one third of the total (expands/contracts around coups).

The biggest problem is that the indians came with previous knowledge of commerce and western culture so once granted freedom went straight to work with business and money making, the indigenous peoples however were not assisted in this pursuit and so were left behind and carried on in their traditional ways...as a consequence to this day over 95% of Fijian businesses are owned by non indigenous peoples.

Then you look at the politics, parties are normally either pro indo or indigenous in some way, normally it's a balancing act between helping businesses thrive and ensuring indigenous peoples have thier fair share. Each coup has gone one way then the next the other...the latest was pro indo-fijian with Bainimarama

In contrast if you look in a little town like Levuka (the old capital on Ovalau), there are a lot of indo and indigenous families mixing it up, no racism exists there. Even when coups kicked off there was little separation of the groups. I know oif one indi-fijian man who sings traditional Fijian folk songs and is more "fijian" than some of the kids in the capital city...

But we digress, this thread is about the UK not Fiji

[northwind]

Originally Posted by irons

Racist? no but do i resent the way ethnic groups are taking over the uk, yes! Now in many peoples eyes that would make me racist

In my eyes it makes you deluded. And yes probably racist.

Originally Posted by G

There are major cities which are essentially majority ethnicBradford, Nottingham, Sheffield, Birmignham, Leicester, etc

Which major cities are "majority ethnic?" Bradford is 72% white british, Nottingham 76.5%, Sheffield 91% (exactly on the UK average in fact), Birmingham 62%, Leicester 62%.

[yorkie_chris]

Northy as much as I'm sure your statistics are impeccable, do not try to tell me that Bradford is anything like white and British.
Tell you what, bloody go there, see how long you are wandering about before you hear any English being spoken.

There is a guy at work who speaks of niggers and coons. He is the most open racist I have ever seen. I've reported his racism several times and confronted him more. I know he's been spoken to several times, but still he is working there and seems to shrug everything anyone says off. He blatantly and quite verbally slags off coloured people of any shade other than 'white' and believes they all should leave the country. Should he be allowed to speak his mind regarding his views at work? I don't think so but it would appear our bosses do.