biker down - a2 this morning - Page 10 - SV650.org

18-11-05, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoN

Svpilot - bummer , hope yoou mend fast, until your last post I had never even considered how my young kids wouldn't understand an accident.

Mpaton - karma dude, your comments are just lining you up for an accident, and i bet you don't post it on here when its not your fault!!!!

Of course I bloody wouldn't, I'm not that stupid

Great comments about the Karma, you're probably spot on!

Martin

18-11-05, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

But too many years on and many bikes owned and I am still out there on a bike. How on earth have I got to this point without the IAM and Bikesafe courses I wonder?

Luck, probably!

If you look through the history of motorcycle accidents on this site alone you can find the vast majority of them could have been prevented with better riding and observation.

A good example are the ones who do 40 mph on a roundabout cranked over and hit diesel then immediately look for compo. It's a blame culture we live in.

I will hold my hands up and apologise for derailing the thread and possibly insulting and controversial comments.

However I will say that improving road safety is passion of mine and if we've all learned something from this thread then it's been worthwile. If it stops someone crashing into a car door again then we've done our duty.

Peace out.

18-11-05, 10:04 PM

Looks like we have a truce then.

18-11-05, 10:07 PM

Ps...Do the British cops get to ride like our boys?

http://www.motorbikestoday.com/chantada015.jpg

Respect!

19-11-05, 12:48 AM

Read this thread, whenn it was five pages, before I went out tonight.

Apart from the fact that svpilot's thread got hijacked its a great thread.

I wrote a page or so to post in responce, but before I did I read the latest two pages. Most of what I was going to say has been said so that post was abandoned.

It just seems to me that the aruements here are not so much about hazards or hazard perception as they are about risk and our attitudes to risk. Everyone who gets on a bike knows that they are putting themselves at risk.
Some of us choose to minimise the risk and take pride and pleasure in being safe - Martin seems to me to fit that description.
Others enjoy maximising the risk, and take pride and pleasure in the skills that allow them to survive taking the risks - Wheelie merchants and the like.

Most of us fit between the two.
If you tend to Martins end of the spectrum, its bike safe and advance riders for you. If you tend the other way its track days and wheelie school.

You pay your money and make your choice - just dont expect everyone to agree with you!

Svpilot, if your still reading this thread I hope the pains getting easier and the youngsters are coming to terms with your accident. Your decision whether to ride again is a tough one. The risks you face have not changed your understanding of the potential effects has.

Tough choice - good luck with it

Chris

19-11-05, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Ps...Do the British cops get to ride like our boys?

http://www.motorbikestoday.com/chantada015.jpg

Respect!

Fabulous! But no gloves?

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19-11-05, 01:16 AM

Sorry to hear about the accident svpilot.

I'm very interested to see what the liability outcome of this is. Infact if anyone else has had something similar happen i'd love to know how it turned out as far as insurance claims and liabilty went.

Maybe a new thread with that kind of thing could be started and stickied so I don't miss it

northwind · 19-11-05, 01:23 AM

Usually I've some sympathy for the driver in a car/filtering collision. It's their fault, but I can see how the lapse of attantion occurs when in otherwise stationary traffic. You only see the risk you're looking for- a driver could easily look behind to check there's space to change lanes and miss a bike that's practically in their blind spot, and between cars behind them. it happens.

But this one's mental. It's one thing changing lanes, which is a part of everyday, appropriate driving. It's totally another thing to be casually opning your doors on the motorway. Just nuts.

The conclusion I draw in the speed vs safety discussion is that every rider should reach thir own conclusion of where the acceptable risks lie- for the simple reason that there's absolutely no such thing as total safety. You can't legislate for stupidity or chance. Yes, we can do a huge amount to protect ourselves but certainty's an impossible dream.

So, given that the goal is unobtainable, where do you stop striving for it? You could hit a patch of black ice at 1mph, fall, have the bike land on you and break your leg, then get a blood clot and die. I was this close to being permanently crippled after a fall while walking. So do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and stay in the cupboard?

Equally, just because the goal's unobtainable, that doesn't mean there's no point in getting some of the way there. Some people genuinely do think "Riding's risky, nothing i can do about it, so I might as well not bother." (they all ride supermotos and race reps- FACT!)

i reckon everyone with a brain is somewhere inbetween, and for all of those people with a brain, the acceptable risk is in a different place.

Oh aye, and if he'd been doing 50, he'd have been past the hazard before it ever happened

http://video.greatestjournal.com/fil...aves Lives.wmv

19-11-05, 08:11 AM

Well we finally ended up with some reasoned contributions put across in a very well thought out manner by all.

Jonboy wrote:

Quote:

Fabulous! But no gloves?

Greg...That is a Guardia Civil cop...they look after traffic matters. They very often ride in shirt sleeves in the summer! However in this guys defence I have never yet seen one not wearing gloves. I think what you can see there is a "barra" of bread (French stick) strapped to his bars!

Just like the Brit bike cops though these guys make faster riding look so safe and smooth!

SV PIlot.....On top of your injuries you now have this heart rending dilemma to deal with as your nipper is so upset at seeing Daddy hurt! Hope all works out mate.

19-11-05, 09:28 AM

SVP - only just got to this. Hope you heal soon. Did the police attend the scene? how did you get the bike off the road?

let us know if there's anything we can do to help.

Everyone else - On both my pre-test course and Bikesafe I was told to filter whenever the opportunity arose and that I'd fail my test if I hung about in the traffic when I could be making progress (not that I was ever inclined to hang back!)

19-11-05, 01:23 AM	#98
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	Usually I've some sympathy for the driver in a car/filtering collision. It's their fault, but I can see how the lapse of attantion occurs when in otherwise stationary traffic. You only see the risk you're looking for- a driver could easily look behind to check there's space to change lanes and miss a bike that's practically in their blind spot, and between cars behind them. it happens. But this one's mental. It's one thing changing lanes, which is a part of everyday, appropriate driving. It's totally another thing to be casually opning your doors on the motorway. Just nuts. The conclusion I draw in the speed vs safety discussion is that every rider should reach thir own conclusion of where the acceptable risks lie- for the simple reason that there's absolutely no such thing as total safety. You can't legislate for stupidity or chance. Yes, we can do a huge amount to protect ourselves but certainty's an impossible dream. So, given that the goal is unobtainable, where do you stop striving for it? You could hit a patch of black ice at 1mph, fall, have the bike land on you and break your leg, then get a blood clot and die. I was this close to being permanently crippled after a fall while walking. So do you wrap yourself in cotton wool and stay in the cupboard? Equally, just because the goal's unobtainable, that doesn't mean there's no point in getting some of the way there. Some people genuinely do think "Riding's risky, nothing i can do about it, so I might as well not bother." (they all ride supermotos and race reps- FACT!) i reckon everyone with a brain is somewhere inbetween, and for all of those people with a brain, the acceptable risk is in a different place. Oh aye, and if he'd been doing 50, he'd have been past the hazard before it ever happened http://video.greatestjournal.com/fil...aves Lives.wmv __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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18-11-05, 10:04 PM	#93
Nitzer Guest Posts: n/a	Looks like we have a truce then.

18-11-05, 10:07 PM	#94
Peter Henry Guest Posts: n/a	Ps...Do the British cops get to ride like our boys? http://www.motorbikestoday.com/chantada015.jpg Respect!

19-11-05, 12:48 AM	#95
seedy100 Guest Posts: n/a	Read this thread, whenn it was five pages, before I went out tonight. Apart from the fact that svpilot's thread got hijacked its a great thread. I wrote a page or so to post in responce, but before I did I read the latest two pages. Most of what I was going to say has been said so that post was abandoned. It just seems to me that the aruements here are not so much about hazards or hazard perception as they are about risk and our attitudes to risk. Everyone who gets on a bike knows that they are putting themselves at risk. Some of us choose to minimise the risk and take pride and pleasure in being safe - Martin seems to me to fit that description. Others enjoy maximising the risk, and take pride and pleasure in the skills that allow them to survive taking the risks - Wheelie merchants and the like. Most of us fit between the two. If you tend to Martins end of the spectrum, its bike safe and advance riders for you. If you tend the other way its track days and wheelie school. You pay your money and make your choice - just dont expect everyone to agree with you! Svpilot, if your still reading this thread I hope the pains getting easier and the youngsters are coming to terms with your accident. Your decision whether to ride again is a tough one. The risks you face have not changed your understanding of the potential effects has. Tough choice - good luck with it Chris

19-11-05, 01:16 AM	#97
jonnyt Guest Posts: n/a	Sorry to hear about the accident svpilot. I'm very interested to see what the liability outcome of this is. Infact if anyone else has had something similar happen i'd love to know how it turned out as far as insurance claims and liabilty went. Maybe a new thread with that kind of thing could be started and stickied so I don't miss it

19-11-05, 09:28 AM	#100
CoolGirl Guest Posts: n/a	SVP - only just got to this. Hope you heal soon. Did the police attend the scene? how did you get the bike off the road? let us know if there's anything we can do to help. Everyone else - On both my pre-test course and Bikesafe I was told to filter whenever the opportunity arose and that I'd fail my test if I hung about in the traffic when I could be making progress (not that I was ever inclined to hang back!)