The God Delusion

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Damn a big debate and i missed it.

Science all the bay, god didnt carve me out of a womens rib........

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

I've not misunderstood anything.

Yes you have, or you are unknowingly using ambiguous words.

You are arguing that the hypothesis of climate change through human cause is claimed to be provable as fact by at least a minority of the scientific community. I've said no scientific theory of climate change exists or can exist at present.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Look at the fear of muslims at the moment. People who dont agree are wrong and should be killed! Nice.... This is because when the religion was formed they wanted no one around who could undermine the power the leaders had. What better way?

Coming into this a bit later down the page obviously, but this is actually totally backwards- when Islam was formed it was in the midst of established strong religions, it was specifically designed to coexist with them as it was impossible to take them on directly. Frinstance, Mohamed taught that christians and jews among others as people of the book, would find heaven as long as they lived according to the book, ie their own beliefs. One of the reasons Islam was so succesful so fast was the way it coexisted with the competition- very clever marketing. Even once established, Islam strengthened itself by dealing with dhimmus (people from other faiths) and benefitting from their strengths, while other religions preached seperatism. Not the way it's working these days though it seems.

OTOH, ""I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."

Originally Posted by northwind

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."

Surly that means anyone that dont believe in me and forsake me will die?

Originally Posted by graemepaterson

Damn a big debate and i missed it.

I like mass debates

[northwind]

Yes. And it's from the Bible First commandment.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I think non-believers are more willing to read around the subject, really trying to understand it rather than fearing the consequences of questioning their faith.

Originally Posted by arc123

oh - so you had to re-write it for it to make sense. doesn't that say it all??

I interpreted it as it had been written the first time. Apologies for being gramatically correct, and thanks once again for the English lesson.

As the author of that comment I'll tell you that it was grammatically correct from the start. It was a comparrison of non believers to believers based on the series of comments that preceded it.

I think non-believers are more willing to read around the subject [than non believers], really trying to understand it rather than [non believers] fearing the consequences of questioning their faith.

I'm still lost as to why you seem to pick entirely the wrong aspect of the argument to pick at.

Originally Posted by Zombie Jesus

You are arguing that the hypothesis of climate change through human cause is claimed to be provable as fact by at least a minority of the scientific community. I've said no scientific theory of climate change exists or can exist at present.

The current hysteria over human derived climate change hasn't come about because a scientist has said, 'I have a theory that says mankind might be responsible'. Scientist may have stop short of claiming 'proof', but given threats of living under water if we don't change our ways or being permanently confined to a fridge, but the end result is the same.

You can argue semantics if you want, but I'd rather discuss the topic.

Psalms 19: 1 - 4

The heavens declare the glory of God.
The expanse shows his handiwork.

Day after day they pour forth speech,
And night after night they display knowledge.

There is no speech nor language,
Where their voice is not heard.

Their voice has gone out through all the earth,
Their words to the end of the world.

Romans 1: 16 - 22

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God for
salvation for everyone who believes; for the Jew first, and also for the Greek.

For in it is revealed God's righteousness from faith to faith. As it is
written, "But the righteous shall live by faith."

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them.

For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting
power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.

Because, knowing God, they didn't glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(God knew Dawkins at least 2000 years before he was born )

Erm so will baby Jesus be getting born in an old stable again next week then or wot? (I've lost track a bit yer see?)