33bhp, do you agree with it?

[hindle8907]

yes but like others have said you can pass not get a bike until after the 2 years and then go get full power ....

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

I notice that nobody has put forward an alternative to the present system but the poll result shows the thoughts of the majority.

I did.

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

+1, when you pass your test, thats when the real riding begins. Some newly fledged riders are full of rose tinted visors, who think they are super duper, when in fact compared to some are complete sh1te. Everyone passes with different levels of competence. For some reason some think they are so fantastic, and they are the ones that end up in the hedge, whereas those that know deep down that they have a long way to go, dampen down their new found skills, but silently plod along, and end up being less of a statistic.

If you go back to my original post and look the restrictions afterwards should help you gain the experience on riding bikes. Motorcycling should be like an apprenticeship, you should be drip fed information until you prove you can use it to an acceptable standard.

When I first got my license, the norm seemed to be tool around on a 125 in various stages of tune for a year or so (enough to get the commuting survival skills honed in), then the test.

Since then everything seems to have got more complicated and way more pricey.

If I was going to bitch about anything it would be limitting peds to 30mph - at least give them 45.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by thefallenangel

If you go back to my original post and look the restrictions afterwards should help you gain the experience on riding bikes. Motorcycling should be like an apprenticeship, you should be drip fed information until you prove you can use it to an acceptable standard.

I can't be bothered to go through all them pages of waffle

Indeed, it is like an apprenticeship, every time I went for a test, they couldn't believe I'd failed so often, as it wasn't down to the lack of ability by a long shot. If I thought for one moment, even now that there wasn't anything I could still learn, I wouldn't be riding for long. #but i still won't read them crappy books, I like real practical learning#

but lifes like an apprenticeship too. Sometimes I think people ride their bikes how they conduct their lives....badly!

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by thefallenangel

If you go back to my original post and look the restrictions afterwards should help you gain the experience on riding bikes. Motorcycling should be like an apprenticeship, you should be drip fed information until you prove you can use it to an acceptable standard.

It's not the governments job to drip feed you everything. Where's the personal responsibility? Where's the freedom?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

It's not the governments job to drip feed you everything. Where's the personal responsibility? Where's the freedom?

Let's just bin all laws and legislations. Give back our freedom and personal responsibility. Afterall, we can all be trusted right? I am sure there wouldn't be anyone who would abuse the freedom to do what ever they wanted. That's why our insurance is so cheap. Everyone is being sensible and only going on the roads after they have paid the necessary insurance.

Hell, why not go the whole hog and just abolish the police and justice system all together? We call be trusted not to do things morally right can't we?

I know I am being pedantic, but the point is, we as a human race can't be trusted. That's why we are governed by laws with penalties for not following them. I don't agree with the current legislation over the motorcycle test but only because it's stupid and does not take in to account many factors. But I do think restricted licences are a good idea. I also think my suggestion was better way of working.

Take lessons and pass the basic test which allows the individual to ride a certain powered motorcycle. Move up to the higher level whenever they feel ready. But first they must complete further more advanced lessons and take a new test on a more powerful motorcycle. This would ensure regardless of when the higher level test was taken, the person could show they had the additional skills required.

[yorkie_chris]

Only result would be to make more people just buy a GSXR1000 and go "be right, won't get caught" and make more expense at every stage.

You really want to make it so hard to get a bike noone bothers any more?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Only result would be to make more people just buy a GSXR1000 and go "be right, won't get caught" and make more expense at every stage.

Those that were of the mind set to do that would do it anyway. Regardless of how easy or hard it was to obtain a licence.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

You really want to make it so hard to get a bike noone bothers any more?

No I don't. I don't think my idea is any more difficult than it is now. Something needs to be done to eliminate the 'loophole' of serving the two year restriction, then allowing someone to ride any motorcycle they choose regardless of how many miles they have actually ridden. The restriced licence route is very unlikely to go away. It is soon to be made even more difficult. I think my idea would be a better idea than the current one. It would ensure those wanting to move up to a bigger powered motorcycle had the experience and knowledge of how different it is from a lower powered one.

[yorkie_chris]

Yes it is, because it involved another test and set of lessons.
You considered there might be people who don't have probably £2k to blow in the DVLAs direction for no good reason?

Bad enough with the cost of the test at the moment if you don't have thousands to burn.

Bikes are naturally cheap transport, why remove that utility?