Vegetarians .. Vegans and the like …

Back to Blue's question...

I don't think a life of misery (broiler chickens etc.) ended in a slaughterhouse is better than no life at all. Even if the animals involved don't know any better it doesn't make their lives worth living.

If we were born into a similar environment as far removed from what is natural as possible would that be better than never having existed at all?

Sorry if that was a bit off topic but it was to do with agriculture...ok weak link...

To a meat eater who is accustomed to smelling their own toiletry deposits it does smell normal because you are used to it.
To a veggie your poo smells exactly the same as a dogs, why, because you both eat meat. If the dog ate sweetcorn it would have yellow polka-dot-poo too!
I like sweetcorn but it does seem a bit indigestable!

I never said we can't eat meat...I said we started off as veggies a long long long long time ago and through necessity started eating animammals! At this period in archealogical history the first weapons have been discovered which enabled us to kill animals more easily without expending too much valuable energy. At this same period animal bones were discovered buried along with human remains for the first time so its pretty well proven that we started off as veggies!
The newly invented weapons also led to war where we found we could, by killing each other, protect our own food stocks, behaviour which can be seen in many other animal species! e.g. A Goshawk will kill Sparrowhawks and Tawny Owls to protect its food stocks in its own territitory.

So in future you won't have to kill veggies in times of need cos they are no threat to your food stocks! Could just do it for fun though!

The veggies might kill all the meaties cos their animals would be eating all the veg'!

Originally Posted by LouLou

Back to Blue's question...

I don't think a life of misery (broiler chickens etc.) ended in a slaughterhouse is better than no life at all. Even if the animals involved don't know any better it doesn't make their lives worth living.

If we were born into a similar environment as far removed from what is natural as possible would that be better than never having existed at all?

Well that viewpoint could easily be coupled with debate on terminating human foetus that have been tested as likely to be born disabled/diseased etc … although standard of living might be greatly reduced or a struggle, is that reason enough for them not to be born???

I think it is a tricky one!!

Yes LouLou it would be like being born into a 6x6 prison cell for the first 6 months of life then being shot in the head while still in nappies....oh I'm sorry all you meaties....you didn't realise that the lamb you eat is never more than 6 months old when killed often even younger! Oops!

Baby killers!

Silence of the lambs!

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Well that viewpoint could easily be coupled with debate on terminating human foetus that have been tested as likely to be born disabled/diseased etc … although standard of living might be greatly reduced, is that reason enough for them not to be born???

I think it is a tricky one!!

that's not really a fair comparison/analogy. the animals we are talking about haven't even been conceived yet.

Blue...If the same logic were applied to the jews who were gassed the argument could be used that they had had a good life as musicians and carpenters and had children and lots of sex and so the 3rd Reich was fully justifiable in killing them!

Somehow I just don't think that would be acceptable do you?

Originally Posted by RhythmJunkie

Blue...If the same logic were applied to the jews who were gassed the argument could be used that they had had a good life as musicians and carpenters and had children and lots of sex and so the 3rd Reich was fully justifiable in killing them!

Somehow I just don't think that would be acceptable do you?

Maybe if it ate them it was justified...

Originally Posted by RhythmJunkie

oh I'm sorry all you meaties....you didn't realise that the lamb you eat is never more than 6 months old when killed often even younger! Oops!

I think it is fairly obvious seeing as Lamb is a baby sheep hahaha

this conversation was way more amusing when we were discussing poo

Originally Posted by sarah

that's not really a fair comparison/analogy. the animals we are talking about haven't even been conceived yet.

Accepted, but I think the bigger divide is that when we start talking about humans, all values change ... why is that?!