The Org Scottish Referendum

[TamSV]

People in the forces normally resident in Scotland have a vote.

The Home Rule vote in the 70's had to get a majority and a minimum electorate. This vote will be decided on a simple majority.

Ah right. Forgot about the result being accepted bit. I know that service people resident get a vote, regardless of nationality. But what if your detached to Afghanistan for 8 months, or onboard your destroyer in the Bahamas, or around the Falklands. Have they voted already or by post or something?

Sorry mate just reread your post, so if you can't or won't vote, its tough sh!t?

[TamSV]

Yeah, if they're registered to vote in Scotland but deployed overseas they get their vote.

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by SIII

I get fed up with answering this one -

Vote for SCOTLAND - this is not a vote for SNP, or Salmond or any on party or policy.

Stop listening to the media and make an informed opinion, not one force fed to you by the BBC and printed media.

Policy will be decided after the YES vote, after negotiaitons, after we have independence.

How very rude.

You have NOT answered 'this one', VERY VERY far from it in fact. But I expect you don't want to see that.
Your vile condescending attitude that viewpoints other than your own are the product of unthinking slavish following of media discounts any of your thoughts on the subject.
Think harder about this - rather than merely criticising others.
If you have ANY serious informed comment - now would be the time.

Originally Posted by TamSV

It's not particularly light reading but, if anyone can be bothered, this e-book has some fairly unbiased analysis without any name-calling...

http://www.futureukandscotland.ac.uk...m-18-september

It lacks the certainty that many on both sides seem to be so sure of, but reality is sometimes like that.

Cheers for that reference Tam, seems like a very good attempt at an impartial summary of the issues involved from what I've read.

Anyone who makes an honest attempt to understand as much of that as they are able has my support whether they decide to vote yes or no.

Originally Posted by Bibio

the vote that took place in the 70's was in favour of independence by 1% but Scotland was told no. if the same happens this time then the coalition that is currently in power at Westminster had better remove themselves from office as the majority of the population never voted them in, they effectively stole office by combining two sets of votes so they are actually a minority government. and they call that fair... hmmm

That's the rules. As I said earlier, we vote for MPs not governments. The queen then appoints the person who can command the confidence of the house.

In theory an independent MP could gather a majority of MPs from all different party's to form a government although it'll never happen.

Originally Posted by SIII

Scotland is a country. It is not part of England. It should not be governed by another country. Decisions should be made in that country for the best outcome for the people of that country by a government chosen by that country. The country should not be subsidising major building works in a neighbouring country. The taxes raised in that country should stay in that country and not pay for the the debts of their neighbours.

Scotland is a separate country and we have the right to decide our future and have decisions on our future made by Scottish politicians in Scotland

Correcting this for you...

Originally Posted by SIII

England is a country. It is not part of Scotland. It should not be governed by another country (ie: MSP's voting in Westminster). Decisions should be made in that country for the best outcome for the people of that country by a government chosen by that country. The country should not be subsidising major building works in a neighbouring country (such as two new bridges over the Forth, Trams in Edinburgh, a new M80, reconnecting Bathgate to Airdrie railway line and upgrading the entire length, planned upgrades for Edinburgh/Glasgow main line, planned new railway from borders to Edinburgh, planned upgrades for the M8/M74/M73 interchanges, and a planned new bypass for Aberdeen). The taxes raised in that country should stay in that country and not pay for the the debts of their neighbours (since public spending per head in Scotland is higher than that of England).

England is a separate country and we have the right to decide our future and have decisions on our future made by English politicians in England

You see you could write all the same arguments in reverse.

Either way you write it, it's all nonsense, because we don't have a situation today where Scotland is being governed by England.

We have a situation where 4 countries make up part of a Union, with pro's and con's on all sides, though some of the cons Scotland doesn't have to suffer because it's been devolved.

I hate the rhetoric that results when Scots start playing hard done by, and complaining that they are governed by "England". It makes them sound like a spoilt child that wants it all their own way, anti-English, narrow minded and bitter.

[Heorot]

Well Fordward, if Scotland votes yes, then all those projects you mentioned should be cancelled, or at least put on hold until the Scottish Parliament has the money to pay for them themselves from purely Scottish taxes or, more likely, borrowings.

Originally Posted by SIII

How can we have a deficit when we can only spend the pocket money given us by Westminster ???

Because it's a Union and the pocket money given you by Westminster contributes to the UK's deficit. Then as Spank points out there are other monies spent on behalf of Scotland which also adds to the UK deficit. It's also all borrowed money which means Scotland has to share debt as well.

That's like a woman getting divorced, but claiming she's not responsible for her half of the mortgage, because she wasn't the one who paid the bills for the house she lived in, so couldn't control any deficit, and she only spend the housekeeping money her husband gave her so it's not her debt.

Originally Posted by Heorot

Well Fordward, if Scotland votes yes, then all those projects you mentioned should be cancelled, or at least put on hold until the Scottish Parliament has the money to pay for them themselves from purely Scottish taxes or, more likely, borrowings.

Many English taxpayers may feel that way after a Yes vote, but Scots are already paying for it from their taxes, as UK taxpayers.

The point in raising them is to show that Scotland is not the deprived child of England, they are a part of the UK and benefit greatly from being part of that Union. Certain Scots need to stop crying like the deprived child.