Free speech

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

The Korans states there can only be one religion and that you should fight until the whole world follows Islam.

the bible states that if you work on a sunday you should be put to death - Exodus 35:2

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

the bible states that if you work on a sunday you should be put to death - Exodus 35:2

i wonder if i tell my boss this, i wont have to work sundays anymore?

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

Be very careful here You're likely to get some know it all like me pop up and say "Where exactly does it say this?" Because the Koran was not written in English, and neither was the Bible for that matter, you get all sorts of translation difficulties. I suspect you're referring to the translation of "kafir", which has been variously taken as either "infidel", "unbeliever", or more commonly "ingrate", ie. ungrateful. Jews, Christians etc, are not unbelievers or ungrateful of God's graces and therefore are not "kafir".

As many quotes you can find in the Koran to state one thing, I'm sure there are just as many that state the opposite. Funnily enough the exact same thing happens with the Bible To all those fundamental christians who say that homosexuals will burn in hell, just point out that the exact same book which states this also states the same fate for anyone caught eating pork (Leviticus). Offer them a bacon sarnie
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I love a good Chicken Kafir.

Lets face it, any religous text is complete rubbish translated or not. Leviticus in particular should be read by any Christians! I think they'd find it a bit of a shock.

Free speech is a privilege,not a right.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I love a good Chicken Kafir.

Lets face it, any religous text is complete rubbish translated or not. Leviticus in particular should be read by any Christians! I think they'd find it a bit of a shock.

I was going to reply to this in detail and started to type. But it's pearls before swine and so I can't be arsed, other than to say that your views lack maturity.

Originally Posted by Ed

I was going to reply to this in detail and started to type. But it's pearls before swine and so I can't be arsed, other than to say that your views lack maturity.

I just don't like ancient barbaric texts meddling in to people's happy lives causing massive grief and anguish, influencing peoples thought processes to match those of a prehistoric uneducated desert nomad, supporting the view that humans are something other than a group of animals that can and will live in harmony given a chance.
Maybe I'm just picky

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Free speech is a privilege,not a right.

Everybody should have the right to free speech no matter what their views.
It should be everybodys right to express any views they choose while accepting that not everyone agrees with them. People are persecuted and killed for their right to free speech and to say that it is a privalidge not a right undermines all those fighting for freedom of speech in places like Burma and China.

Originally Posted by BLACKFIRE

Everybody should have the right to free speech no matter what their views.
It should be everybodys right to express any views they choose while accepting that not everyone agrees with them. People are persecuted and killed for their right to free speech and to say that it is a privalidge not a right undermines all those fighting for freedom of speech in places like Burma and China.

'Rights' are privalidges we grant our selves, nothing more. They can be given or taken away and in that sense, the term 'right' is utterly meaningless. People talking as if they're bestowed apon us by some devine being completely undermines the hard work and sacrifice that generations before us went thorough to get us to a position where we can be so nonchalant - especially as we're now happier than ever to allow our liberty to be taken from us by parliment.

I expected FS to jump on me over my post! Blackfire caught me by surprise there.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

'Rights' are privalidges we grant our selves, nothing more. They can be given or taken away and in that sense, the term 'right' is utterly meaningless. People talking as if they're bestowed apon us by some devine being completely undermines the hard work and sacrifice that generations before us went thorough to get us to a position where we can be so nonchalant - especially as we're now happier than ever to allow our liberty to be taken from us by parliment.

That is what I was trying to convey!! People are fighting for their rights all over the world and I dont view it as a privalidge that has to be earned, it is a right of every human being to be able to express their point of view, rightly or wrongly, without persacution.