New fork internals on the market

[Lissa]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Looks like they have no external damping adjustment?!?! ...

No, it seems you'd have to adjust the shim stack to suit your requirements.

[northwind]

Just the Matris kit isn't it? Been around for a while, those, though not for the curvy.

and not cartridge.

[yorkie_chris]

How would these compare to the race tech emulators?

they should be better if set up right.instead pop up washer on emulators for one side only(compression)this have shim stack on both side.shim stack is easy to change to get different damping.unfortunately you have to take them out to do so.low speed is not adjustable externally.
your fork tube is still piston pushing oil around.
there is another valve made in Australia that has shim stack,but only one side.
neither is cartridge.cartridge is what gsxr forks have.all separate unit to control damping.

Originally Posted by Lissa

No, it seems you'd have to adjust the shim stack to suit your requirements.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

How would these compare to the race tech emulators?

Ok, so to my mind - and I have only glanced at this not fully digested - the 'drop-in cartridge' is a proper cartridge internal, with proper shim stacks setup (on both compression and rebound). In that respect these are better than the emulator alternative as if you can get them set up how you like (no easy task as everyone is different) should work really well - by virtue of what they are, the emulators will never be as 100% as 'good' as well set up cartridge. Also the cartridge is no-messing/no-brainer to install.

However, not being adjustable - without changing shim stack*, is a major problem. And in this respect slightly inferior to the emulator solution ... ok, so you have to keep taking the emulator out and perhaps changing oil to get it just as you like, but it IS a DIY job.

NEITHER solution allows you to fine tune for specific tracks/roads/ambient temperatures etc without disassembly ...

At £300 (1/2 as much again as emulators and making GIXER swap very viable) - I'd want adjustability as well as cartridge 'ride'!

*in reality not doable DIY as you need the shims (or does it come with a whole pile of them??), knowledge and tools - making it an expensive pro-only job to change damping to suit you

why would they be inferior to the emulator???
both you have to take out to adjust.
shim stack will use thin oil,which is better.so you dont have to worry about temperature part and changing oil.if done right shim stack will be fine for most people.
changing shims is not big deal,it is easy.hard part is knowing which ones to use to get what you want.
I want to buy set of this and test it,maybe start using in future but they dont sell valves only.you have to buy whole kit.I dont need springs and fancy preload adjusters and see no point buying something I already have.that is downside to me.

[northwind]

Ah, you got a no then? I've not had a response from either as yet. Did you consider the old "I'm thinking of stocking your items but I want to try them out first to make sure they're up to scratch" line

no,I am not interested in making stuff up even tough that would be really close

Apologies for the poor pics, only had my phone on me, but here's the valve:-





Ive not fitted any yet, but we've sold loads and had good reports back from everyone using them.
The Shim stacks are two stage and I presume the rebound stack is pretty light as its operated by a vacuum and it still relys ( a bit) on the orifice damping of the original damper rod.