CSS tips - Cornering - Left or Right?

Left or right, makes no difference to me. I like them both. It's the straight bits I'm scared of.

I feel the same on both sides, but dont like the idea of the kerb/ditch/fence on a right hander or the traffic coming the other way on a left hander! so I tend to wimp on both

[northwind]

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

Keith Code has hit on an important point here, and I think he's overall right, but i also feel he compounds his "correct" observations with a whole bunch of bull-crap, padding it out with pseudo-phychological insights that ofer no further help to the situation. Its not just this either, i think he pads out alot of his self-help books with...twaddle.

Yeah, me too. Andy Ibbott's usually far better, he takes Code's ideas and takes away the handwaving. Code's not interested in explaining, he gives you divine writ and you're expected to swallow whole, which is fine but sometimes he throws in stuff that doesn't make any sense and because he doesn't explain what he means, the whole message goes out the window.

Like with countersteering, he basically says "If you think you turn by pushing the bars down, you are a cretin. You cannot go around corners by pushing down the inside bar, it is impossible.". Now, when I was first starting to ride that's what I thought I was doing, so I read that and thought "You're a moron, Code, I do that every day and I go round corners just fine", and binned it. He doesn't deal in interpretation. Ibbott, on the other hand, said (in Bike I think) "Think about it, you think you're just pushing downwards but are you also pushing forwards? It could be that you're just mixing up the actions" and I thought "Ah, I'm accidentally countersteering while doing something wrong, and so it works by luck", and then I fixed it.

Originally Posted by northwind

Yeah, me too. Andy Ibbott's usually far better, he takes Code's ideas and takes away the handwaving. Code's not interested in explaining, he gives you divine writ and you're expected to swallow whole, which is fine but sometimes he throws in stuff that doesn't make any sense and because he doesn't explain what he means, the whole message goes out the window.

Like with countersteering, he basically says "If you think you turn by pushing the bars down, you are a cretin. You cannot go around corners by pushing down the inside bar, it is impossible.". Now, when I was first starting to ride that's what I thought I was doing, so I read that and thought "You're a moron, Code, I do that every day and I go round corners just fine", and binned it. He doesn't deal in interpretation. Ibbott, on the other hand, said (in Bike I think) "Think about it, you think you're just pushing downwards but are you also pushing forwards? It could be that you're just mixing up the actions" and I thought "Ah, I'm accidentally countersteering while doing something wrong, and so it works by luck", and then I fixed it.

Actually, that's a very good point. Weazelz and I had Andy Ibbott for our CSS day and I thought he was very good - definitely less drivel compared to the twist books.

[northwind]

Top stuff, with an instructor like that even i could learn something

interesting read, bit of a different view on things..

So my first accident was on the right side and this recent one on the left, hopefully that should even things out for me..

I hate corners whilst going downhill. The only time I came off was braking downhill... make what you will of that

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I hate corners whilst going downhill. The only time I came off was braking downhill... make what you will of that

ummmm.. Don't go down hills ?

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I hate corners whilst going downhill. The only time I came off was braking downhill... make what you will of that

Ah yes, downhill-entry corners. I asked my dd about this the other week - there is a corner on my commute home that is a downhill entry, and you can enter quite fast (you have to if you want to beat the lights!)...but thers a horrible vauge feeling with the front end.

His interpretation? Your going downhill, the front end is already loaded...then you load it some more by braking. With all that weight on the front end, its going to feel nothing but vauge. Tip it in gently and keep as constant throttle as you can to minimise the weight transfer when at lean.

I took this advice to hand, and it felt a bit better. I also tried gripping the tank more with my knees and relaxing my arms a bit (and the grip on the handlebars), which also helped with getting more feeling

Still don't like downhill entry's though, i prefr uphill entrys

Matt