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Old 12-06-08, 11:18 AM   #11
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sceptic is a noun meaning someone who is doubtful, a skeptic is someone who follows the process of scientific skepticism, which is something different
Utter twaddle! I'm Captain Sceptic! Son of Dr Cynic
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unless you are someone with medical knowledge I would refrain from commenting
Hehe. If it's worked for you; wondeful! It's just....well... impossible!

If these dudettes had discovered water 'memory' or some physical variant that could explain their cause, they'd be honoured with both the Nobel Prizes for Chemistry and Physics!

What conditions does this treatment stretch to?
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Old 12-06-08, 12:04 PM   #12
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unless you are someone with medical knowledge I would refrain from commenting

I am a medical scientist and twaddle is as twaddle does, and homeopathy is right up there with snake oil

i have no problems with using in the same way as all complementary medicine ie along side PROVEN medical treatments and its probably benificial as confidence, positive thought and self belief works well to increase effectiveness.

but on its own it is in the words of a 1998 medical review, "placebo therapy at best and quackery at worst."
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Old 12-06-08, 12:05 PM   #13
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Anyone tried it?
Any views?
not me
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Old 12-06-08, 12:24 PM   #14
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I have and so has the missus and my sister, mum, aunt........generally most of the family

Depends on the individual I think if it works. Worked on all of us if you follow it to the letter. Remember no coffee or coke though!!

If you dont mind me asking what are you gonna be addressing?
no coffee or coke...so lack of cafeine and sugar may have something to do with the rememdy...?

Im dead against it. Make up a solution of drug. Dilute it until theres almost nothing left, maybe a few molecules per unit of fluid.

Alegedly, water has memory. Tosh. Complete tosh.

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Old 12-06-08, 12:28 PM   #15
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Im dead against it. Make up a solution of drug. Dilute it until theres almost nothing left
there really is nothing in it...

a 30c solution has about a one in a billion chance that there's a single molecule of the active ingredient left in the solution
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Old 12-06-08, 12:57 PM   #16
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Its not a dilution of the drug, the theory of Homeopathy is

taking the caustaive agent of the disease and diluting it out

ie if you have dust mite allegies you take some dust mits grind them up and dilute in 100 mls of solvent ( water/ether/alcohol) them you take 1ml of this into 100mls of solvent and do this 50-100 times( or more)

the theroy is that a little of what ails you makes you better ( ie dilute it out so much that it can't cause a reaction but it can still simulate the bodies 'natural' defences)

the only scientific problem with this is in cases such as a peanut allegy even 1 molecule of the protein coat that causes the reaction is enough to cause anaphalaxis and death or to have thier heart stabbed with adrenaline (nice)

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Old 12-06-08, 01:05 PM   #17
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never tried it wanted to but thought about it and didn't do it
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Old 12-06-08, 02:02 PM   #18
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ie if you have dust mite allegies you take some dust mits grind them up and dilute in 100 mls of solvent ( water/ether/alcohol) them you take 1ml of this into 100mls of solvent and do this 50-100 times( or more)

the theroy is that a little of what ails you makes you better ( ie dilute it out so much that it can't cause a reaction but it can still simulate the bodies 'natural' defences)CHARLATANS
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there really is nothing in it...

a 30c solution has about a one in a billion chance that there's a single molecule of the active ingredient left in the solution


There really is nothing left in it. The water supposedly has a memory.
Did you know that you can get a homepathic anti-malaria drug? And it recommends using it as an alternative!
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Old 12-06-08, 03:00 PM   #19
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There really is nothing left in it. The water supposedly has a memory.
Did you know that you can get a homepathic anti-malaria drug? And it recommends using it as an alternative!

that'll work though





(if they use gin and tonic as solvent!)
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Old 12-06-08, 03:31 PM   #20
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the theroy is that a little of what ails you makes you better ( ie dilute it out so much that it can't cause a reaction but it can still simulate the bodies 'natural' defences)
not quite, thats the proven theory behind inoculations, by providing the patient's body with a weakened form of whatever you want to inoculate against, it allows the body to develop the antibodies required to fend off the attack

the concentration of homoeopathic remedies are trillions of trillions of times more dilute than than the jab you get to protect against the flu for example, so dilute it would be like adding a drop of whatever the active ingredient is to all the worlds oceans (it's actually more dilute than that but it serves the purpose).

now imagine you let that one drop of whatever you put in the ocean disperse evenly around the globe, and once it has you take a thimble of water from anywhere on earth. what are the chances that that tiny bit of water in the thimble contains one molecule from the original drop? the answer is effectively zero, and that's how likely the homoeopathic solution is to contain any of the original substance you added before you started diluting it
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