filtering and road position

And the mirrors thing... problem is it then puts the onus for your safety onto the car driver, whereas moving right out puts the onus (and therefore, the control) onto you. I want me to be in control of my safety, not the cars!

Originally Posted by hovis

7.5 meters ?

I'm sorry I misread. I thought you said there was a gap of 8 metres from the side of the car to the other side of the road, actually you said the whole road is 8 metres wide. What I meant was that I would probably be 50cm from the opposite side of the road - the 50cm just to allow for variations in the width, dirt and cr*p near the edge, etc.

Oh, I also just noticed you said there was parked cars on the other side too

That's also a hazard so I would have to balance my speed & distances from each side a bit differently. In this case it's a bit hard to say without seeing the roads & knowing the speeds. One thing I would say is that a moving car seems to do a U-turn a lot more unexpectedly than a car at a standstill (assuming all wheels point forward). A parked car you see the wheels turning, etc, before it does it, a moving car does it pretty much instantaneously.

So I'd probably be biased towards staying nearer to the parked cars.

Originally Posted by muffles

Oh, I also just noticed you said there was parked cars on the other side too

That's also a hazard so I would have to balance my speed & distances from each side a bit differently. In this case it's a bit hard to say without seeing the roads & knowing the speeds. One thing I would say is that a moving car seems to do a U-turn a lot more unexpectedly than a car at a standstill (assuming all wheels point forward). A parked car you see the wheels turning, etc, before it does it, a moving car does it pretty much instantaneously.

So I'd probably be biased towards staying nearer to the parked cars.

sorry no parked cars

twas a single carridge way

[21QUEST]

What's all this talk of numbers eh.... me, I don't take a tape measure with me


Sorry no real answer for you....I don't teach very well . All I know is that one has to analyse continously what's going on as I think, some have touched on.


I will also say, If one is constantly thinking of 'legal point of view.....' then perhaps one should even be filtering.


Improving your chances of not having an accident/staying alive entials what I like call 'dynamic thinking' haha......how pompous does that sound



Ben

Originally Posted by muffles

And the mirrors thing... problem is it then puts the onus for your safety onto the car driver, whereas moving right out puts the onus (and therefore, the control) onto you. I want me to be in control of my safety, not the cars!

That's my POV too. The usual IAM line is that you shouldn't be too close as that doesn't give you enough control (although gives them the best chance of seeing you), but instead you should strike a balance between being in the safest position and letting them see you. In my book, the safest position is where I have most control, which is a bit further towards the other side of the road. I think relying on other road users to see you (even if you ride a dayglow bike in high vis with a HID conversion) is asking for trouble...

Originally Posted by hovis

sorry no parked cars

twas a single carridge way

Oh so when you said parked cars, did you mean the queuing traffic? In which case the previous applies 50cm from the other side of the road...

yeah........

i said parked as they were not going anywhere due to the accident

[fizzwheel]

Depends... I dont stick to hard and fast rules when filtering. I just do what I feel is safe and that means either

1. Not filtering at all

2. Sitting where I know I am visable to the car drivers and keeping my speed low and making sure I give them every opportunity to see me. But keeping an escape route in mind.

In your situation. I'd be doing this probably, but it depends on the road and also the width of the road.

3. Sitting right out in the other lane so I am as far away from them as possible. Again keeping an escape route in mind and my speed low or roughly the same as the cars that I'm filtering past.

As for the legal side of things. Dont know never really considered it... I would put my safety first rather than relying on the legalities of situation once that situation has occured ( i.e. I've been knocked off )

[Mr Speirs]

Just a stupid question from a newbie.

The highway code doesn't really mention anything about filtering and so the only thing we interpret is:

"Do not overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road"

Does that mean it is legal to filter past stationary/very slow traffic on a motorway on the right hand side of the third lane?
My reasoning for thinking about this would be to avoid blind lane changers taking me out.

Please be kind to me and tell me how stupid I am for even thinking this in the kindest possible way haha

Cheers Chris