Corporal Punishemt

I think we've had this thread before, I said then that it's pointless considering it unless you can guarantee guilt, look at the many innocents set free 10 - 20 years after conviction who would be dead now. Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, the Cardiff 3 recently, loads of them.

You could even argue that if we'd killed a load of IRA in the 80's (like we didn't anyway nod nod wink wink) the peace process may not have happened.

[Red Herring]

I'm a firm believer in evolution, it's just that as society has developed those cast out by their peers for not living by their rules have been able to survive and breed. I suggest that for their first recordable offence an individual should receive a warning, after all, we can all make one mistake..... On their second they have one testicle (or tube if female) removed. They lose the other one on the third conviction. In a couple of generations we could breed out criminality....mostly. My wife is a GP with a speciality in family planning. She regularly jokes that she is responsible for more crime prevention than I am, and after 23 years as a copper I'm beginning to believe her. Only problem with my plan is by the time they are 18 half these scrotes have already had half a dozen kids with four different girls..... Oh well, it was only an idea.

I'm not really sure what my views on this are. That said, I do think our justice system needs to toughen up on crimes against the person, such as the incident in the earlier thread and things like rape, murder, serious assault, etc etc

Look at this way, if we total money spent on going to war since I have been alive and spent it on getting rid of poverty, on education and health there would be a lot more happy people in world.

Until we do above we have no hope of improving quaility of life for the population of world, let alone the UK. But those in power don't want that, so what are we going to do about it?

Oh just look at Flodria State in the US, when Jed Bush was governer (is he still, i'm not sure) more people than ever were killed by the state, did it have any affect? None what so ever, it doesn't act as detret. Also the vast majority of death row inmates, are from poor backgrounds, uneducated (or very little) as well as having some kind of mental health problem. (tbh most ppl just laugh at, rather than try to understand) It has been said that a society can be judge on its prsion population if thats the case soiceity is in a poor state.

[timwilky]

I have to agree that we need something to prevent the scroats from offending. I do not think most are scared of ASBOs or community service etc. It is a stepping stone on a career path.

I have friends who have done borstal and young offenders etc. The borstal lot did it once and were determined that they would not be going back. The young offenders ones did not want to go back, just lacked a little of the conviction those who had done borstal had not to go back.

Ironically my younger brother was the victim of an assault on sunday where 2 guys threw him down some stairs. He landed on a guy at the bottom who sustained a broken neck and fractured skull. Who was arrested and held overnight? Yes my brother despite 4 witnesses saying he was the innocent victim. It was only when the CCTV was watched next day were the witnesses believed and my brother released. The cops went for the easy arrest, to damm difficult for them to actually do a bit of police work and identify at the time the attackers.

[Biker Biggles]

I regret to say I cannot take seriously the views of people who dont understand the difference between corporal and capital punishment.
That is all.

Perhaps if instead of borstal or a young offenders institution where they are with like minded people they were given 2years national service[As was] they could possibly come back into civilian life with a bit more respect.

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

Perhaps if instead of borstal or a young offenders institution where they are with like minded people they were given 2years national service[As was] they could possibly come back into civilian life with a bit more respect.

Tend to agree with this idea. however, I feel that this will only help the petty criminals, not the likes of your murderers, rapists, people who commit crimes against children.

[Red Herring]

Oh I don't know, they will at least be a whole lot better at killing people....

I doubt there'll be much suprise from my position on this one

How do you learn right from wrong as a kid? Do you learn from your parents? From society? Both? If dad resorts to thwapping the kids and mum whenever they wrong him, and when society thwaps people whenever they wrong society what impression does that give to kids? That violence is an acceptable and normal approach to problem resolution. Don't get what you want - break out the fists - smash your wife in the chops, that'll learn her - beat the yobs with sticks, that'll learn 'em.

The very notion that the way to teach the next generation to be less violent is to show them repeated violence is so illogical it's insane.

It's like thinking that a death penalty will deter suicide bombers.