I do not understand the legal system

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[QUOTE=yorkie_chris;2078314]

with some luck it will make life unpleasant for whichever tosser authorised the case going to court.

Hell will freeze over before any gnome is inconvenienced because of what they have caused others - the system guarantees that!

To answer your point, Tim :
Neither do Government Ministers or MPs.
Best of luck for him with this though luck should never come into it.

[Red Herring]

What really bothers me is that we rely on juries. You know, panels made up of the public, people like us...

Based on a few lines of third party account several people seem to have concluded that the accused is innocent, that the police are incompetent, and that the CPS are stupid. In fact they are so convinced they are already looking at ways they can make some money out of it!

it's no surprise we get some odd verdicts.

[keith_d]

How can we run a legal system when half the jurors are below median intelligence??

In practice I'd imagine it's more than half because a fair percentage of the ones above median intelligence can find some way to avoid doing service. Add in peoples irrational prejudices and it's amazing the justice system works as well as it does.

Keith.

[maviczap]

I suggest on another thread we should get rid of the jury system and go to the French or European system of a panel of judges, but I got castigated for that.

The CPS seem to be the fly in the oinkment these days, as they make the judgement call on the evidence that's presented to them

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Red Herring

Based on a few lines of third party account several people seem to have concluded that the accused is innocent, that the police are incompetent, and that the CPS are stupid. In fact they are so convinced they are already looking at ways they can make some money out of it!

it's no surprise we get some odd verdicts.

Because tim, and by extension his Brother, is "one of us", so we're obviously going to be biased in his favour.

I do support the police they have a tough job to do, even the most open/shut cases there will be someong lying to make matter harder for the police to determine what is right/wrong. The problem here though Tim I recon is its becuase your bother shows up on file as John smith, a normal man who works all day and has a family around him. He's prime meat for the police and the CPS, they can get to him. Its the life time ******s that did him over that know how to work the system in their favour, would be suprised if your bother has to pay compo to the fools who jumped him.
Hindle im sorry to hear about your uncle, it must be a hard pill to swallow when its a life taken and they still get away lightly.

[timwilky]

OK, then a little bit more meat on this.

My nephew works at the social club where this happens. It was a Sunday afternoon and the club was hosting a christening party. He had refused to server a woman as in his opinion she was already the worse for wear. My brother is the chairman of the management comittee.

The woman took exception and complained to the stewardess and ended up pushing the stewardess onto the floor. My brother suggested to the woman and her small family group that they should leave. As they were leaving that is when they attacked him. He was stone cold sober as he was driving.

ironically 2 days later I was sitting outside a pub nearby and there was a group on the next table and I overheard a conversation

How is *****
In a bad way, his neck is broken
What happened?
That ******* Paul who owns ***** through him down the steps at Chads
******* he needs his legs breaking
We are organising it, he is going to get a call to come out to a job at **** and we will be waiting.



Of course a call was made to my brother.


The attackers are a known group of village inbred idiots. Having talked to my brother last night a few local cops have visited him for a supportive chat, but have told him he is a victim of the system that looks to blame someone

Sounds about right.

It stands to reason, that your bro would try and start on 4 known thugs at the top of a stairway in his own establishment. All the while when he is sober and they selves are intoxicated and would therefore be less likely to co-operate. I mean who wouldnt pick a fight under those curcumstances...

Im guessing he doesnt have CCTV in that stairwell. I hope it all works out for him Tim keep us posted.

Tim,
There are cases where the accused is charged, the file is submitted and in the interim between it going to court, it gets reviewed by a CPS lawyer at the Crown and they make a decision that this case should have never got to court. Of course GBH is a serious matter and not one taken lightly.
Were there any counter charges? Are there no other indy witnesses?

Oh and to the other posters, please dont turn this into another police bashing thread. We have enough of those throughout this forum which are quite frankly tiresome. I'm sick to death about hearing about the injustices of motorists. Traffic Officers are only one element of the service, the rest of us have our own jobs to do.

[Shellywoozle]

Originally Posted by thefallenangel

i have zero belief in the police, armed forces or government.

Simply put the police are a **** take on what they use to be. They don't bother with people speeding unless they know they can get them banned, dont' bother pulling cars over unless a computer flashes telling them too and are so ................

Don't agree .... I personally pull over speeders and issue tickets knowing very well I am in a non calibrated car and the tickets will be thrown back by the ticket office.
But this passes the message to the people in the town I work. I do not have ANPR in my car therefore there is no computer pushing my buttons.
I am very traffic orientated and would hope I make a difference where it needs.

As for the OP, mate I do hope that justice is served correctly and I await in anticipation of the outcome. It is a difficult job to gather all the evidence but that is all Police are in effect, it is the Courts that listen to the evidence and your brother will have his opportunity to stand up and say what happened.

You have to ask yourself what other evidence has been gathered and what it shows, the CPS will review after, as Robchester says file builders etc have reviewed. The process it goes through prior to getting to Court is imense and timely and EVERY piece of evidence has to be gathered not matter how small.

Fingers crossed for him hun

Originally Posted by robchester

Oh and to the other posters, please dont turn this into another police bashing thread. We have enough of those throughout this forum which are quite frankly tiresome. I'm sick to death about hearing about the injustices of motorists. Traffic Officers are only one element of the service, the rest of us have our own jobs to do.

Well said that man !