Sarah's Law

Originally Posted by Viney

Its a bad idea. If these people have been convicted, then they have done the time for the crime. If they havent reformed and are still 'Active' then this should be picked up in prision and them not be released.

Interesting - I have no idea how this works so I'm genuinely interested - if someone gets ten years for a crime, then towards the end of their sentence it becomes apparent they may re-offend when released, can their sentence be extended?

I've never paid much attention to this stuff, not being a criminal and all

Regarding names of sex offenders being released, I guess my view is skewed by me not having any of my own kids, but I don't see the point in publishing details - I can't see how it helps anyone, people should sufficiently look after their own kids to avoid them coming to harm anyway

[ophic]

we don't need new laws - we need the ones we already have to be implemented properly. There are already procedures in place to handle it, but all too often they're not being followed properly, usually because of certain slack employees and/or the government not monitoring their performance properly.

[timwilky]

My personal opinion is that it is in no ones interest to disclose the presence of a known sex offender to the general public. There should however be restrictions on where a sex offender can be/live without good reason. I.E. near schools etc. However, what happens if a family with children move near to him/her, must the offender move?


A close member of my family was sexually abused 40+ years ago. I recently came across somebody connected with the incident. (worked with the abuser at the time) and it brought a desire in me to put this guy against the wall and beat him until he identified the guy who got away with it. Nobody was ever charged as back then it was inconceivable that a married family man would want to abuse a child in such a manner. My dad is dead, my mother elderly and confused The only thing I can remember of the time was where the abuser worked. (I know he was a mechanic at a small HGV garage that rented an industrial unit off my dad).

My desire to thump somebody so indirectly connected was in the main down to the anger that I as am 8 year old had been unable to protect a younger sibling and just the mention of the garage and somebody pointing out this chap who was an apprentice at the time worked there. I am in some way relieved that friends pulled me away and I never got to get an identification that would have opened a lot of old and locked away nightmares for my family.

Let those that enforce the law have the tools to do their job. Rigorous enforcement of release conditions, surveillance and intellegence on sex offenders should be the norm. Joe public simply needs to know that the plod are doing their job.

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

When I was a kid it was drummed into us----Dont talk to strangers or have anything to do with them.You can have any amount of Sarah lists but there is no substitute for teaching kids to look out for themselves,and for parents to look out for their kids.There is no hi tech shortcut for this.

cor, so its the kids fault then? little *******s

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by carty

Interesting - I have no idea how this works so I'm genuinely interested - if someone gets ten years for a crime, then towards the end of their sentence it becomes apparent they may re-offend when released, can their sentence be extended?

Pathetically no. This is one huge problem area with sex offenders too.

Any criminal only serves 2/3s of their sentence basically. They are given that other time off for good behaviour and being active in their attempts at rehabilitation etc. If they dont acknowledge their crime was a bad thing or feel or show remorse. If they dont behave or put the effort in during their sentence then that time is added back on to their sentence and they end up serving the full term.

Now this is where the issue comes with some sex offenders. Some of those sickos (and ive seen them say this on documentaries) believe that their "choice" of sexual release is actually fine and there is nothing wrong with them. They freely admit they will re-offend at the first opportunity as they dont see it as a wrong thing they are doing. One of the nutters even said that in years to come we will all see that these guys were right in the lifestyle choice they made and the laws will change to allow them to be who they choose to be.

Now their sentence is at an end, they say they will not change their ways. There is no law that allows prisons to keep people for longer than they were sentenced to by a judge.
At this point their parole officers and sex case workers have to put them under very strict supervision. If they simply up and leave one day they have no chance of finding these people again....until they re-offend and get caught. By which time they could have re-offended numerous times.

Personally i'd like to see the kind of monsters who offend against children to be chemically castrated or lobotomised and kept in secure mental units for life*. I genuinely feel that anyone who thinks having sex with a child is anything other than abhorrent has a serious mental disorder rather than is a criminal.
And by sex with a child i dont include the example MBK gave of someone who lied about being over the age of consent but was slightly under. I mean the predatory scum who target real children.


*in all honesty the gallows is too good for these scumbags and i'd take them out the back of the court and put a bullet in their heads for free, but MBK asked us to stay away from this knee jerk response so i'm only adding this here as an aside.

no I don't think they should know, If they have served their sentence then they should be left alone other than the police monitors etc.

what we need is a register of un-convicted offenders and where they might be living... that seems better if sadly impossible.

You could move to an area where there are no registered offenders but your neighbor is?

There is little logic in the law and it would do society no good.

[SoulKiss]

Perhaps as a counter-point to Spidey post, here's one to think on...

Most people have things they find sexually attractive that to others are weird, or as in this case, repulsive.

This can be as "normal" as seamed stockings, or as weird as the "2 Girls One Cup" activities.

If we accept that in the case of homosexual people - which inversely applies to heterosexual people equally well, these feelings are hard wired. then are Paedophiles not just people who are wired for a sexual preference that ultimately is out of reach due to the the quite correct rules and protections that we put in place to protect the vulnerable members of our society.

There is no way that any abuse of a child can be condoned, or accepted, it is societies role to protect the innocent and those that cannot consent to activities they cannot understand, but is total blanket hatred the answer?

I dont have an answer to this question myself, so I am not going to try and give one, other than to think that in the case of someone like that who has never touched a child, pity, and perhaps support, the ability to come out and confess to these feelings so that they can get help, rather than being hated, bottling it all away, and then someday snapping.

I have seen an interview with one man who was about to be released who was BEGGING them to keep him locked up, as he knew it was his nature to see kids that way, and he was afraid of harming another child, he really did seem to hate himself and what he had done, and what he saw himself as still being capable of.

This is a very simplified post, it doesn't take into consideration that for some who attack children do it the power trip, similar to what motivates many rapists as I understand it, and THOSE are the monsters out there, the predators on the vulnerable.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Now this is where the issue comes with some sex offenders. Some of those sickos (and ive seen them say this on documentaries) believe that their "choice" of sexual release is actually fine and there is nothing wrong with them. They freely admit they will re-offend at the first opportunity as they dont see it as a wrong thing they are doing. One of the nutters even said that in years to come we will all see that these guys were right in the lifestyle choice they made and the laws will change to allow them to be who they choose to be.

<Devil's Advocate>

Homosexuality used to be a crime



</Devil's Advocate>

[Spiderman]

yes, thats what the guy was saying and what SK's post above alludes to also.

I;m simply saying that if th choice were mine thats how i'd treat them. Not suggesting that my way is right or even near the best way to deal with them.

However neither is yet another database imo.

[hindle8907]

no point its not going to stop them is it .. if they have the need to do it they will just go to the next town or city .
so ither way your kids arnt going to be 100% safe.
unless you are with them ...