Death Penalty Poll

Isn't killing the killer lowering ourselves to their level?

My main objection to capital punishment is that historically there have been too many people put to death for crimes that they did not or may not have committed. I do not believe that any sort of "for the better good" argument is justification in these circumstances. What if it was you or your own? The system has too many flaws as it is.

I do however believe in a zero tolerance system.

[ethariel]

Death Penalty Yes

BUT, only where there is no doubt of guilt (thats beyond the reasonable doubt of conviction) such as 'Caught on TV/Camera/many witnesses.

For Whom?

Premeditated Murder, Child Molestation, Terrorism also perhaps also for 'Attempted/Failed Act of Terrorism' no second chances to let them try again.

[Biker Biggles]

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist and so was Ben Gurion.
So were the Birmingham bombers(conclusive scientific proof of guilt),and that child molester who just got released after donkeys years inside when they proved someone else did it.
When you let the ruling class decide who lives and who dies you unleash a genie that is truely evil.We got past that stage fourty years ago and should never go back to it.

[Spiderman]

Yeh lets not get into who or what a terrorist is now cos as the old saying goes...one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and i think that really sums up the whole argument very well.

The word "terrorist" a modern word and is what it is through conditioning (brain washing) by politicians and media. It is all FUD to erode your civil liberties.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by MattCollins

The word "terrorist" a modern word and is what it is through conditioning (brain washing) by politicians and media. It is all FUD to erode your civil liberties.

Well said that man.

[fizzwheel]

I'm not really sure how I feel about it.

When my friend was killed by a drunk driver in 2006, many of my friends in their greif said the driver should be executed an eye for an eye and all that.

Personally in those circumstances, I never understood what use or purpose executing the driver of the car would have solved. It wouldnt have brought Pete back and at that time all of us who knew him would have given anything to have him back again.

Theres been to many screw ups with innocent people being found guilty for me to think that the death sentenance is a suitable punishment, one innocent person put to death is to many, so it would have to be a 100% guilty conviction with no doubt, but even then I'm not sure it actually fixes anything.

So I'm not sure...

[Spiderman]

Some very well thought out arguments there Lyn, only issue i have is this...

Originally Posted by lynw

So do we kill them or house them until they die? Again to me the morally right, just thing to do which makes us better than them and keeps us in that position is to incarcerate them for life.

...who says it more morally right to lock someone up in an institution for life, give them all the comforts of home but deprive them of any chance to ever see the outside world again?

What if they try multiple times, as some prisoners do, to take their own life? Do we let them or enforce our "moral" stance that they must live in a cage forever?

Its a very difficult argument this whole thing.

[Bri w]

lynw, spot on and an educated point from experience.

Spidey, morally wrong to lock them up for life.?

I disagree with the death penalty, as may have been read from previous posts. But to protect our society they have to be locked up. And as previous murderers have been released only to go on and murder again, then lock them up for life.

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

When you let the ruling class decide who lives and who dies you unleash a genie that is truely evil.We got past that stage fourty years ago and should never go back to it.

Absolutely. Spot on.

Never, not under any circumstances.