The government has done something right

They have been banned not because of the protest as such but because they praise terror attacks and speak about changing all of britian to their law thing and what they'd do, the whole group is out right provocative.

Originally Posted by TheOnlyNemesis

speak about changing all of britian to their law thing and what they'd do

Isn't that what all poitical parties do in the run up to an election?

[jambo]

Originally Posted by Sosha

Going to disagree.
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we already have laws that cover this without resorting to the coverall of Terror Legislation.

The right to protest needs all the protection it can get and banning whatever group without providing any evidence is counter-productive.

I'm afraid I'm siding with Sosha on this one.
With the caveat that as far as I know Islam4UK was a group of politically minded Muslims who wanted to stage very unpopular and quite insensitive protests for the people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If this was the extent of their disruption then banning them under terrorist laws seems an over-reaction, one that fuels the more extreme amongst them and gives them proof of their persecution. They will reform under a different name, and will gain more hardcore supporters.

I am, however, reminded of the orange marches in Belfast, the route of which went through as much opposing territory as possible. At the time my thoughts were to allow the march but force the route to be altered to try and keep fighting to a minimum. So I appreciate how difficult this is to handle.

Yours,
one of those liberal lefties

[fastdruid]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyNemesis

They have been banned not because of the protest as such but because they praise terror attacks and speak about changing all of britian to their law thing and what they'd do, the whole group is out right provocative.

No, the only reason they were banned is because of the march/protest, had they not gone public with this idea no one would have heard of them and there would be no need for the govenment to be seen to do something.

Again I disagree with them but if they have not supported/funded/organised any violence then they should be free to *talk* no matter how much you (or I) may not like it.

As someone else put on another list

Being a bunch of obnoxious cnuts with offensive views isn't a good enough excuse to ban a group.

Druid

they should have just moved the venue... to the very tip of scotland, then see how may of them turn up

Originally Posted by Tiger 55

Isn't that what all poitical parties do in the run up to an election?

y u planning to vote for islam4uk as a political party

Ok, here's another angle that on it...

What if the group where Christians in an Islamic or Muslim dominated country? Do you really think Joe Public would allow the march to happen, accept it being moved to another location etc? And surely such a march couldn't happen without some kind of retrobution being taken against those involed? This is not a suggestion BTW

It's easy to say that's the difference between them and us, but seriously - why should we (under the guise of human rights etc) allow this type of thing to happen?

Granted Labour are probably trying to use it for their own gain...

^ goop point that is, its just like if we went to lets say a eastern contry would we get a free house and free helth care ? NO so why should we give it to imigrants? when we (indirectly) pay for it? they should at least have to pay tax for a few years first

Originally Posted by TheOnlyNemesis

y u planning to vote for islam4uk as a political party

I think they'd lose their deposit in East Renfrewshire, but whoever gets my vote will be promising to change the law so you can't ban a group for wanting to do that.

[yorkie_chris]

Labour are a bigger threat to democratic freedom than any bunch of miliant muslims.

Originally Posted by Sosha

Going to disagree.

Though I may not a agree with your views. Within the confines of the law I believe in your right to demonstrate them.

By "Confines of law" I suppose I could sum up as:

"Mr x Is a Tosser, He's responsible for Blah Blah Blah" Fine

"Rise up Campers, Mr X is a Tosser and we should string him up from a tree" Not fine.

But we already have laws that cover this without resorting to the coverall of Terror Legislation.

The right to protest needs all the protection it can get and banning whatever group without providing any evidence is counter-productive.

Part of labours anti-freedom "terror" legislation has been found to be against human rights by Euro courts recently. Says it all really.

Originally Posted by fastdruid

rather than just "because the police fear it may happen"[1].

Druid

[1] See the events cancelled this summer due to the police "fearing" there "may" be trouble.

Yeah exactly, that was just a case of ACAB and the police extorting money out of a decent event, the slags! Since when does a rally need a police presence, I've never had the urge to cause any trouble at one!