Tell Us The Laws You Want Scrapped!

Originally Posted by Ed

For starters, the one that means that we have to put up with two Pakistani terrorists here. We can't deport them because they might face torture or death in Pakistan. Funny, the people concerned didn't seem too bothered about that fate for other people when they were planning to blow up a shopping centre. The Human Rights Act needs radical review.

I'm far more worried about the "Terrorism" laws which allow their detention without trial and prosecution without a jury of their peers than an abuse of a generally well intentioned Human Rights Act.

[hindle8907]

Originally Posted by Viney

cyclists must stop at traffic lights. As long as its safe to proceed, .

should that be for anyone, there is nothing worse than being sat at a set of traffic lights at 10pm at night with nothing all coming for 3 minutes.

[Swin]

I thought the longbow law was for all Englishmen to practice it on a Sunday, not just London?

But I'd like to see the law that stops you turning left at a red light scrapped, so that we could do the same as they do in America at lights

[Viney]

Originally Posted by hindle8907

should that be for anyone, there is nothing worse than being sat at a set of traffic lights at 10pm at night with nothing all coming for 3 minutes.

What we could adopt is the flashing Yellow after a certain time at night, which means proceed with caution/Give way type affair. That would work

As for the Longbow, you could be right. *Goes off to find a commuter to shoot with my longbow*

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Ed

For starters, the one that means that we have to put up with two Pakistani terrorists here. We can't deport them because they might face torture or death in Pakistan. Funny, the people concerned didn't seem too bothered about that fate for other people when they were planning to blow up a shopping centre. The Human Rights Act needs radical review.

I have every sympathy with your sentiment Ed but I don't agree with shipping them off somewhere where they could be tortured or killed. It takes us down to their level. BUT I'd like to see an addendum to any law which would read, "if there is a danger of harm on repatriation we hold the right to hold the criminal indefinitely." And then let the criminal choose between indefinite prison or repatriation.

Originally Posted by simesb

I'm far more worried about the "Terrorism" laws which allow their detention without trial and prosecution without a jury of their peers than an abuse of a generally well intentioned Human Rights Act.

I agree that the abuse of the terror laws, and especially trial without jury are a sad indicment of our judicial system. However, any legislation including the abuse of the Human Rights Act should be the subject of a review. Cherry picking still leaves flawed legislation.

Bri - I used to think like that, and I still struggle - as most on here will know I'm really a bleeding heart liberal but I'm getting oh so tired of the abuses that we are expected to tolerate without complaint. These people would potentially have killed many and maimed even more, and now they whine about their human rights.

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by simesb

generally well intentioned Human Rights Act.

I'm told the road to hell is paved with such material.

The HRA may have been well intentioned - but it itself does not function in a just manner.

Natural justice is difficult to write into statute - the HRA has its good points but is a much abused/misused piece of legislation.

Originally Posted by Bri w

However, any legislation including the abuse of the Human Rights Act should be the subject of a review.

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

The HRA may have been well intentioned - but it itself does not function in a just manner.

I'm not suggesting that the HRA is a perfect piece of legislation, just that there are other laws which intentionally deprive us of the privacy and rights to fair trial and justice that we (used to) hold dear in this country. Just think I would look at them first; HRA is somewhere down the list.

Originally Posted by Swin

I thought the longbow law was for all Englishmen to practice it on a Sunday, not just London?

Anyone fancy a ride out up to Hadrians Wall this Sunday. Bring your longbows.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Ed

Bri - I used to think like that, and I still struggle - as most on here will know I'm really a bleeding heart liberal but I'm getting oh so tired of the abuses that we are expected to tolerate without complaint. These people would potentially have killed many and maimed even more, and now they whine about their human rights.

Off on a tangent I know but I don't understand what these terrorists are trying to achieve. On the one hand they want the UK to be like some holy grail with everyone following their religion and laws but they've come from a country that practices many of those laws and religion but are terrified to go back there. Anyway, firing off in a different direction. Is not a terrorist an attempted murderer who just hasn't chosen the victim. His act is premeditated, and callous in the extreme. Life sentence, or offer deportation after a 10yr sentence.

Originally Posted by simesb

I'm not suggesting that the HRA is a perfect piece of legislation, just that there are other laws which intentionally deprive us of the privacy and rights to fair trial and justice that we (used to) hold dear in this country. Just think I would look at them first; HRA is somewhere down the list.

I'd rather see a judiciary 'attacking' all the major flaws at once. It may well be that some laws would by their complexity take longer to change but at least a start would have been made on them.