Bird wants to be a joiner!

[Wideboy]

Originally Posted by specialone

The joiner V chippie debate still rages on, it was fierce when i was at college 22 years ago, we had some shenanagans between the classes with pranks galore going on.
Chippies do all the graft, joiners do the fancy stuff.
Now i have become a general builder, im not the best person for defending chippies, today i used a hacksaw on some skirting as i couldnt find my tenon saw, still looked good though.

All my chisels are proper blunt cos im a lazy git and just throw them in a bucket, i used to keep them razor sharp.
I have neglected a lot of my power tools as well, there will be a problem and instead of fixing it i put somewhere in the garage and forget about it, loads of my tools need attention, like new blades, plugs, brushes etc.

So fair play to joiners they generally work to tighter tolerances and i use a nail gun on everything

plus all you lot ever use is gripfill

i went through all that, the biggest crap i seem to get is when i get on site, the chippys dont like it because i can do their job but they cant do mine, the hierarchy know this so its usually me running the job which they also don't like.. soon put them in there place when snagging inspection comes along muhahaha

TBH we should unite against brickys, nothing they do is ever what is on teh drawing

Originally Posted by Wideboy

plus all you lot ever use is gripfill

i went through all that, the biggest crap i seem to get is when i get on site, the chippys dont like it because i can do their job but they cant do mine, the hierarchy know this so its usually me running the job which they also don't like.. soon put them in there place when snagging inspection comes along muhahaha

TBH we should unite against brickys, nothing they do is ever what is on teh drawing

Push come to shove Gav i can do joinery, it would take me twice as long as you no doubt but i could do it.
Most joiners i have come across are glorified machinists anyway
I use pink grip anyway, more my style
Dont get me started about brickies, its plus or minus an inch at best and they are all prima donas, most of my problems i have are generally caused by brickies and plasterers.
I now only do domestic stuff so other trades i work with are my contacts so its not too bad tbh.
I wanna career change, im bored with this one, too many things to annoy me.

[Wideboy]

Originally Posted by specialone

Push come to shove Gav i can do joinery, it would take me twice as long as you no doubt but i could do it.
Most joiners i have come across are glorified machinists anyway
I use pink grip anyway, more my style
Dont get me started about brickies, its plus or minus an inch at best and they are all prima donas, most of my problems i have are generally caused by brickies and plasterers.
I now only do domestic stuff so other trades i work with are my contacts so its not too bad tbh.
I wanna career change, im bored with this one, too many things to annoy me.

bah! whatever!!

im considering going back to college in the evenings to do sparky, plumbing and plastering if i can as im not brilliant at it........ got big plans

Dads one, alot of messing about for nothing, loads big nails and a hammer is all thats needed. Bosh, job done lol

Originally Posted by Wideboy

bah! whatever!!

im considering going back to college in the evenings to do sparky, plumbing and plastering if i can as im not brilliant at it........ got big plans

I can do most stuff tbh, but i have learnt its easier to palm it off on somebody else when you can.
Legally you cant do much sparking now, so i personally wouldnt bother.

What plans you got, cmon spill the beans !!
Offer me the right terms and you can have me, i can do most trades, i project manage, can do autocad, ass kiss the building inspectors, the lot

[Wideboy]

want to start my own firm but obviously i need funds and i have 2 options............. start working nights again, triple my weekly income but its 7 nights a week so i'll loose social life, go nuts and disappear ............... or start kitchen and bathroom fitting to get the money rolling in, easy work (well for me) but i want that corgi and other stuff so i can do the lot without having to subby it out... when i have enough mullah i can get myself a small holding as i don't want to leave joinery behind, a small joiners shop can be very profitable especially nowadays with not many people training as joiners, when i was doing my apprenticeship there where only 8 others and that was of all skill levels......... large joiner shops don't work there's not enough work for them........ a two man band shop can make the money if its run correctly

sounds like a pipe dream i know but I've put my sencible cap on and sat down with a mate who is also in the trade and worked it all out, except he's chosen the nights route....... worked out my costs ect ect now all im lacking is the mullah

its got to be done, there's no money in working for someone else trade wise, suckers game

Originally Posted by Wideboy

sounds like a pipe dream i know but I've put my sencible cap on and...

But not your spelling cap?

Originally Posted by Wideboy

i want that corgi

sounds like a pipe dream i know but I've put my sencible cap on and sat down with a mate who is also in the trade and worked it all out, except he's chosen the nights route....... worked out my costs ect ect now all im lacking is the mullah

its got to be done, there's no money in working for someone else trade wise, suckers game

It's now gas safe!

plus not a pipe dream will happen told you that, just got to take you time and pay me a small sum to keep you legal on the companies and company act side

Well, i have been running my own business for nearly 6 years now and it aint all that tbh, its a lot of hassle for not that much more gain.
The work is the easy bit, its quoting, sometimes at 8 at night or weekends, then the quiet times, the worry of where the next jobs gonna come from, the tax man, overly fussy customers, will they pay you on time or at all, it aint all roses mate as im sure you're aware.
Then there's the van, tools, liabilty insurance, van expenses / maintenance, cash flow.

Think long and hard about things before committing.
Another way to look at things about subbing trades out, most other trades will do the job faster than you because they do it day in day out, you could do what you're good at and earn more money doing that while they do the job faster and have all the responsibility to finish it.
Its all about time management, your time is worth x amiount, but if your earning half that doing a job that a subby could do twice as quick, you have in effect lost half money, whereas you could subby it out and make a bit on top for doing nowt, like i do

BTW way, gas safe is expensive, once qualfied you have to do a refresher test every 5 years which costs a fortune, loose a weeks work etc.
Just cheaper and less hassle to sub it out, lets you concentrate on other things.
Its impossible to be self contained and be efficient imo.