Have Honda got it wrong ?

[andrewsmith]

Originally Posted by carelesschucca

If you ask me (which you probably don't) Honda have been getting it wrong on styling alone for the last few years, I can't remember a faired bike by them coming out for about 3 or 4 years thats not been hit with the ugly stick...

I haven't really taken enough interest in their bikes to look at performance and other stuff...

Their Nekid bikes ain't too bad though but thats a different matter...

I do have to agreed with you on that. The most attractive of the faired bikes is 600rr and then I'm not sure on it.

Honda have done a suzuki essentialy and took a basic bike and give it a fancy dress. If they did it the other way 600rr into 600f it would be a seriously capable bike, but then it would be posisitioning and building off ss600 aint a cheap concept

Originally Posted by Stig

I've taken Foxy pillion on her Ninja 250 and found it more than capable.

thats only a combined weight of about a feather and some dust though Si

would it take me and the "OLD" PLOWSIE !

Originally Posted by Stig

I've taken Foxy pillion on her Ninja 250 and found it more than capable.

I think the Ninja 250 being a v twin will be better than the single cylinder CBR250

Do you think the Ninja 250 would cope with a combined 25 stone?

I think I need at least a 600

[ixlr8]

Originally Posted by Baggy

I think the Ninja 250 being a v twin will be better than the single cylinder CBR250

Do you think the Ninja 250 would cope with a combined 25 stone?

I think I need at least a 600

Ninja = parallel twin, and no, it wouldn't (~26 hp) and I'd say you do for combined weight(>60 hp).

My XT600 has 43bhp, and about 30 at the rear wheel. It manages nearly 30 stone no problem, though it does produce a lot of torque. Still what power you NEED all depends on how you define what you need. If you just want to stay a step ahead of the traffic a 250 will be fine. A 71bhp SV650 with 30 stone on board will still level peg with a Subaru Impreza until over 100 mph. You don't NEED that. The pillion limitations on most small bikes is suspension and size.

[JamesMio]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

My XT600 has 43bhp, and about 30 at the rear wheel. It manages nearly 30 stone no problem, though it does produce a lot of torque. Still what power you NEED all depends on how you define what you need. If you just want to stay a step ahead of the traffic a 250 will be fine. A 71bhp SV650 with 30 stone on board will still level peg with a Subaru Impreza until over 100 mph. You don't NEED that. The pillion limitations on most small bikes is suspension and size.

Ah, but what about when you take a pillion?

[yorkie_chris]

Got to remember the old CBR600F WAS the top of line 600, competing with RFs and GPXs and stuff.

New one looks nasty, and if it is built on hornet then it will be nasty too. Hate working on those bloody things.

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

And a lot lot cheaper to run and maintain.I looked at the fuel consumption everything,tyres,insurance,depreciation and price for brand new
To be honest with all the downers on biking of late and quite happy to go about at legal speed limits I wonder if it is worth keeping the ST or change down to the 250.

Half of these so called practical bikes are so small there's nowhere to hang/strap a load of stuff to.

Where are the superdreams and other halfway useful hacks these days? Sacrificed at the altar of poofy style design?

I believe they have.. for the reasons you said

I saw this in MCN a few weeks ago. Nice to see it's real and not just a product of their fevered imagination. It's the first new model Honda I've really fancied for years. 90% of the sportsbike of an SS600, 200% more practical. Looks ideal as a sportsbike for the road.

I hope Honda do a 0% deal on the 600