advice about problem child.

Some years ago i ended up doing security on 3 blocks of flats in Salford, they were rough. Some of the locals would put needles under the stair handrails to stick you and worse. The kids were special, they would give the security soooo much abuse, smash their car windows, set fire to their motorbikes and so on. My team of 3 guards never had this problem. I could give the kids a £20 to go to the shop and get me food, drink, fags and so on, they would come back to the security lodge with receipt and change worrying incase it wasnt right. Why the difference, gaining their trust, showing them respect and treating them like humans and not like filth. Always worth a chat to get to know someone, kids wont show any respect if you dont show it yourself. No disrespect Andy but telling him to bugger off wont help your cause, they know they are untouchable, parents sound like they dont give a shyt, might be as said, bored to death and wants some attention. Get him onside, easier than fighting em.

Lad like that in my old street, "you cant touch me nah nah" so I nearly ran him down one day when he cycled towards my car on the wrong side of the road, he jumped last minute up the kerb and fell **** over tit,

he knew not to fuk with me again..

I do not condone these actions and in fairness I would try talking to him, failing that use authorities or the police to try and kerb his behavior.. failing that a quiet pasting by a random in a mask might see the little **** right..

or what electro said..

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

he can't give him a clout these days....

Why not? (ok don't answer that ) however conspicuously playing with a baseball bat can sometimes have the desired effect...

On a more constructively note Andy. I had a lad lived next door when I lived in York that was on a downward path... Mum and step Dad were trying hard to keep him under control but he was a mentalist (needed medicines it turned out) He got help when mum had him arrested for smashing up their house for no reason, he flipped out, and he was properly assessed... The point of the story is I never had any trouble from him after I nipped it in the bud. He threw some stones into our garden when the kids were out playing and the stones smashed a window in the shed... I went round and spoke to him, in front of parents and made him pay for the window. I told him if he didn't mess with my family or my stuff the window would be bygones and I'd treat him like anyone else, but that if he did mess with me I'd 'deal' with him. I told him if he wanted my respect then he needed to earn it by treating my family (and his) with respect first. Seemed to hit home as he was quite pleasant to us after that.

So MBK is right, try talking to him and make him realise if he wants to be treated as an equal, he needs to behave like one. Might work.

ABC required! Acceptable Behaviour Contracts tho not sure how you guys run with ASB down south.
Up here ASBO's are not given out like sweets. Nothing criminal about ABC.

If you think that the boy's alright then try to talk to him and explain - sometime the exterior does not match the interior.
after all he's only human and we all have the basic needs - respect being one. You might be surprised how he reacts to be spoken to like an adult - however if you say there will be follow up action makes sure you stick to it a broken wordis never nice at any age.

personally I wouldn't take the word of next door - as you don't know what was said and how it was said to the parents and what was threatened and an investigator will always ask this question. Best to try to talk to parents as they have not done/said anything to you.

If it falls on deaf ears then let the LA know and let them deal with it. There is children panels and ABC and under 16's ASBO and many interventions that can be put into place.

If all else fails dark alley dark night and seven shades - they don't like it being done to them!

" eventually a little petition was started and last summer the housing association moved them to anothe estate across town because of their anti- social behaviour." Don't you just love the fact that no-one tries to solve the situation just move it about for someone else to suffer.

I would go and speak to his parents myself, He is their responsibility at the end of the day, and I would think it a bit unfair to get the authorities involved without giving them a chance to sort it themselves. Your next door neighbours warned you off but it could be that they went in a little hot and angry words were exchanged, I dont know. If you go and have a civil, calm, polite converstion with them about their kids behaviour, that may be all thats needed. If they start getting argumentative and/or threatening, walk away, if they threaten violence then you will have some recourse. Obviously I dont have all the facts but given what you have said, if I were in your shoes, thats what I would do.

Originally Posted by Quedos

ABC required! Acceptable Behaviour Contracts tho not sure how you guys run with ASB down south.
Up here ASBO's are not given out like sweets.

If you think that the boy's alright then try to talk to him and explain - sometime the exterior does not match the interior.

personally I wouldn't take the word of next door - as you don't know what was said and how it was said to the parents and what was threatened and an investigator will always ask this question. Best to try to talk to parents as they have not done/said anything to you.

If it falls on deaf ears then let the LA know and let them deal with it. There is children panels and ABC and under 16's ASBO and many interventions that can be put into place.

If all else fails dark alley dark night and seven shades - they don't like it being done to them!

" eventually a little petition was started and last summer the housing association moved them to anothe estate across town because of their anti- social behaviour." Don't you just love the fact that no-one tries to solve the situation just move it about for someone else to suffer.

Not my idea for the petition, tbh i didn't even sign it as i was always at work and it was the neighbours immediately around them that did it. Although my mother in law who lived 2 doors from them had no trouble as she befriended the eldest lad and he used to help her out in the garden, we never had any probs either think its coz my eldest lad used to help him fix his bike. LA's are useless they won't deal with the problem they will just move it.

Davey - not a dig at you personally a dig a HA who always seem to shift the problem - having major problems with 3 at the moment who just keep shifting a few ASB tenants about rather than deal with it- as LA means we can get enough case evidence to build a legal case and its doing my end in!!
I pity those with ASB round them - I have a scatter flat under me and everyone send me to sort it out as I can quote the legislation at them. normally no trouble I must admit once spoke to!

No offence taken, just thought i'd explain, i do feel sorry for these kids coz it seems their parents dnt care and they spend their childhood gettin shifted from house to house and cnt put any roots down or make nay real friends

[TamSV]

Like you say Andy, there's no point in threatening him with a clip round the ear cos he knows it won't happen. His parents won't do anything and the cops probably can't.

I think MBK and others are on the right track in trying to befriend the lad - or at least be nice to him when he's not making a nuisance of himself. You might be the only one in the street that is, and his own folks don't sound like they're doing much parenting.

Sadly, the die might be cast for this young lad already and he'll just continue to live up to his reputation. I think it's worth a try though. In this day and age, of course, you'll need to be careful you're not accused of being a nonce.

[hindle8907]

Originally Posted by Electro

Some years ago i ended up doing security on 3 blocks of flats in Salford, em.

the beautiful clarendon estate, lol ?