Apparently rare footage of the japanese surrender, 1945

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by ravingdavis

That is utterly brilliant. Those old Warships are something impressive to behold.

Aye, amazing film.

I'm looking forward to getting some diving in on some ships of similar size, though an earlier era up in Scapa Flow.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by Mikey10

going to sound rude but meant nothing to me.

yeah, you're right, it did sound rude. Perhaps just an effect of so much time passing since that event, but when I sit and talk about this with my father-in-law he has some seriously shocking stories to share about it.

From seeing sailors blown to pieces, from walking into Hiroshima right after the bomb was dropped, from losing his friends, sharing his chocolate with enemy sailors pulled from the water after sinking their ship.

Have some respect fella.

Great post Phil!

Originally Posted by Mikey10

going to sound rude but meant nothing to me.

Shame. But that's where we are.

Does Iraq and Saddam Hussein mean anything to you? Would you like to have lived in Iraq under Saddam Hussein?

WWII is the only reason that you don't live in a German tyrannical military dictatorship (which is what most of Europe was until D Day). You owe your freedom, your way of life, just about everything you have, to the millions who died in WWII. If we hadn't made that sacrifice and won that war, England could today be very much like Iraq was at the beginning of 2003.

It's not your fault you've grown up without that included in your education, it's the fault of those that gave you that education, but now you are old enough to decide for yourself what interests you and what you want to learn about, WWII is a really interesting one to get started on. You won't believe some of the stories you will learn, great films you can watch, things you could see.

Next time we plan a trip to Normandy, we'll let you know, it's a great place to start.

you have the wrong idea its hard to word what i meant but i gave my opinion.

i have the so much respect for everyone who has and is still putting their life on the line for my future and our country no matter what war it was.

i just don't find something like that video intresting i don't find the past intresting on a educational/informative level.

i appericate that most of you find this intresting but i just don't that was what i was trying to say. sorry i gave the wrong impression. next time if something about a war comes up i'll keep my opinion to myself.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by Mikey10

you have the wrong idea its hard to word what i meant but i gave my opinion.

i have the so much respect for everyone who has and is still putting their life on the line for my future and our country no matter what war it was.

i just don't find something like that video intresting i don't find the past intresting on a educational/informative level.

i appericate that most of you find this intresting but i just don't that was what i was trying to say. sorry i gave the wrong impression. next time if something about a war comes up i'll keep my opinion to myself.

no problem, no need to keep your opinion to yourself. It was just worded in a way that gave the wrong impression.

Originally Posted by Mikey10

i don't find the past intresting on a educational/informative level.

Understanding what has happened in the past, is the only chance you have of getting it right in the future.

Everything in education is about history, it's all the teachings of what those who have been there before us have learned. Be that lessons in school, or our parents teaching us what they have learned in their lives the hard way, or what they learned the easy way from your grandparents.

In maths and physics at school, we learn what Einstein discovered.

Without any interest at all in the past, you can't have a proper education.

cheers for understanding

ralph i get where your coming from and agree its probally the way i was introduced to history at school that put me off its obviously a great subject as you say everything around us is history and its great to have an intrest and good knowledge of the past.
Im sure when i hit my later years history will be of much more intrest to me.

I think i get where Mikey is coming from. I found the video interesting but that was mainly for the ships and the huge guns. what an awesome sight. The fact that Japan surrendered because of Hiroshima is interesting, a Japanese man being brought aboard a warship and effectively, humiliated is not so (to me). I don't think anyone could claim not to have ANY interest in past events. I for one disliked history at school enourmously, beaten only be religious education. I have no interest in Henry the 8th and his many wives etc.

If ever I need a mind**** i just try and imagine what's outside the universe/what happened before the big bang.

I have to admit, history as a subject at school I hated, and dropped it as a subject at the first opportunity. I too have no interest in how many wifes Henry the 8th had.

Where I find history fascinating, is where it has relevance today, and helps you to understand why the things around you are the way they are.

For instance I'm a green laner, and there are some ridiculous laws in this country surrounding rights of way and classification of footpaths, brideways, byways, etc, and I could never understand why we needed the laws we have. Then when discussing it on another forum, somebody posted about the Inclusion Act's of the 1800's that put all land in the UK into private ownership, and why the public rights of way were created in the way they were. I didn't know about that so I did some reading around it and now I understand why we have the system we have today. It's still ridiculous, because they were created for a bygone age before tarmac and motor vehicles and have never been reformed, but at least I understand why they are ridiculous.

Another example is the history of Israel and Palestine (something which it turns out people very close in my family tree are directly responsible for, anyone on here who knows my surname will realise what I'm talking about). At the time where there was a lot going on in Israel, suicide bombs, bulldozing of settlements, building of the wall, etc, it was on the news every day. But they only ever talked about what had happened that day, and I was left wondering 'but WTF is this all about?'. So I bought a few books and did some reading, spent a year or two reading this type of book, instead of reading a fiction novel, and now I'm fairly clued up on it and understand the issues pretty well.

Understanding what happened in WWII, helps greatly in understanding the world political landscape we live in today.

Well there you go Ralph, two subjects you researched because you had an interest in them. Whereas at school we were (and im guessing still are) taught about things we didn't want to know about. I've never really understood the Israel Palestine thing, something to do with land is about all i can fathom. I suppose if you do find a thread borig the thing to do is think 'that was boring, oh well' and not feel the need to tell people.

I must admit i do like libraries, old ones with actual books in that aren't stuffed with computers and have a DVD/video games rentals section. I really should try make an effort to read more...