Muslim who grooms and rapes spared jail.

[Luckypants]

This is very worrying, as others have said. Ignorance of the law is no defence in UK law and saying you didn't know because you had a Muslim education / upbringing just makes a damning indictment of your religion and upbringing.

I sincerely hope this case is referred to the Court of Appel as an excessively lenient sentence.

More worryingly, I can only find that Daily Mail report in mainstream media. Nothing on BBC or other major newspaper's websites. Such a lenient sentence needs to be highlighted, whatever the background to the case.

[mattSV]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

Yes, his being a Moslem is relevant, as a pivotal part of his defence was that women are of lesser value in his faith/culture.

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Thanks for clarifying Sid. In that case, hang the ****er.

Originally Posted by Luckypants

This is very worrying, as others have said. Ignorance of the law is no defence in UK law and saying you didn't know because you had a Muslim education / upbringing just makes a damning indictment of your religion and upbringing.

I sincerely hope this case is referred to the Court of Appel as an excessively lenient sentence.

More worryingly, I can only find that Daily Mail report in mainstream media. Nothing on BBC or other major newspaper's websites. Such a lenient sentence needs to be highlighted, whatever the background to the case.

Is it because it's only the daily mail have the balls to print it?

I'm guessing other media sources don't wanna be seen as racist or discriminatory.

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by specialone

I'm guessing other media sources don't wanna be seen as racist or discriminatory.

But that is exactly what they are being by not running the story. I hope that is not the case.

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by timwilky

We do not know the poor girls religion, but are you saying she if a muslim then she would have found it acceptable to have sex at 13 because he was a muslim man.

No Tim, was trying to make a comment on the law in general rather than focusing on the sexual nature of this case - as I don't know much about it, and coverage seems to be limited.

If religion / culture is used as an excuse for the law being applied differently then it is a dangerous precedent. The law (any part of it) should be applied irrespective of these differences,

There have always been urban myths about people using excuses that certain practices were part of their religious beliefs I.e. rastafarianism, but I've always dismissed it as rumour and thought it wouldn't wash with a judge. I just hope that this kind of argument isn't starting to become acceptable...

Originally Posted by mattSV

Thanks for clarifying Sid. In that case, hang the ****er.

That might be a bit harsh when it seems from what ive read like the offence was statutory rape.

Not that I'm excusing it

[Bri w]

Maybe the guy is ignorant of our laws but according to Sharia Law, rape is called Hirabah and falls under the banner of causing disorder in the land - punishable by stoning to death. In other parts of the Muslim world it is considered to be adultry, or forced adultry - punishable by stoning to death.

There is no such thing as rape within the marriage, in Sharia Law, but the laws are pretty clear that forced sex outside of marriage is punishable by death...

I guess the next question would be would he have done it in a Muslim country?

[timwilky]

They would have stoned the girl for adultry. as in sex outside of marriage.

[21QUEST]

It's difficult to believe he didn't know it'd be an offence to have sex with a girl of 13...I don't believe he didn't know that.

Regarding his faith being pivotal to his defence, I'd take what has been written with a pinch of salt.

Even if it's as reported(Lolipop references etc) , wonder if it were suggested by his defence, member of his family etc.

I'm not about to get overly wound up by just one particular case, as it just seems our whole Judicial machine is a bit warped somewhat.
It apparently goes on more than we might prefer to believe...Some links below.

I do find it a concern that his defence(or who ever it was) would have thought to use his religion as some sort of excuse or reason. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth and I think it's something we should be concerned about in Britain.



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle4353029.ece

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle4440892.ece

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...e-in-jail.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ared-jail.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...jail-term.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...alks-free.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ed-prison.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...stay-free.html

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Bri w

Maybe the guy is ignorant of our laws but according to Sharia Law, rape is called Hirabah and falls under the banner of causing disorder in the land - punishable by stoning to death. In other parts of the Muslim world it is considered to be adultry, or forced adultry - punishable by stoning to death.

There is no such thing as rape within the marriage, in Sharia Law, but the laws are pretty clear that forced sex outside of marriage is punishable by death...

I guess the next question would be would he have done it in a Muslim country?

Originally Posted by timwilky

They would have stoned the girl for adultry. as in sex outside of marriage.

Adultery (Zina), includes incest, paedophilia, rape & pimping. They would have stoned the girl if a) she knew the man was married, b) she was married to someone else. They would have also stoned the man.

The above are covered under the tier of Hudud crimes. However, many Islamic countries rarely enforce Hudud penalties, prefering to use Tazir Law which basically gives a slap on the wrist.

A 'true believer' of the Quran has very strong views on rape, not dissimilar to those of a westerner.

Unfortunately, in Sharia Law sex crimes need 4 witnesses.