Clutchless shifting

I can't see the point of clutchless gear shifting unless you are in a rush.

I close the throttle exactly the same as if I were doing a clutch change.

[Viney]

I go up and down the box. But then im always going quickly

You just have to be "progressive" in your changes. It's no good kick shifting if you are not actually putting some pressure on the gas, it doesn't drop in easily. However, if you are accelerating moderately fast it's a doddle, just back of a bit, as you roll the throttle back snick it into the next gear.... Changing down isn't quite so easy but it's a nice way of "dropping one and going for it" when you have the technique.

I have had problems between 1 & 2 on almost any bike I ride but I've got it sussed on the Gixer, but I always find it smoother when I'm accellerating harder.

I did find that, on my Falco, if you give a large dose of right hand in 1st and kick it to 2nd the front just went skywards and came 3ft of the deck

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Thanks for the advise folks, I've practiced these for a couple of days now and I'm definately finding it a lot easier now. The key things I'm differently seem to be that I'm leaving the gear changes till I'm revving a lot higher and I'm also putting a bit of pressure on the lever before actually pulling it up.

I'm still smoother in the higher gears, but those are much smoother now. Seem to be even smoother than when I actually use the clutch. Hopefully I'll get the hang of it in the lower gears and also get it so it' second nature. Once again, ta for all the advise people.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

Some questions:

Am I right in thinking I should be revving reasonably hard and then easing off the throttle a split second before changing up?

Yes, you need to be accelerating fairly hard for a clutchless change to be effective. Close the throttle just enought to take the load off the gear box and it should just slip into next gear, close throttle to much and the dogs in the gear box crash back together, dont close enough and there will still be a load on the gear box, thus causing excessive wear and tear.

Also, how far should I close the throttle, it seems to be smoother when I just roll off a bit, rather than close the throttle entirely, is this right?
Close the throttle just enought to take the load off the gear box and it should just slip into next gear, close throttle to much and the dogs in the gear box crash back together, dont close enough and there will still be a load on the gear box, thus causing excessive wear and tear.

Are you only meant to clutchless upshift in higher gears and at very high revs (it seems the deeper into the powerband I go, the smoother the upshift)? I was under the impression it could be done in any gear.
Your impression is right. You can clutchless change at any gear at any speed, its all a question of timing. If the timing on throttle closing, and gear selection is good, and you've closed the throttle the correct amount, the gear will go straight in.

I've got it pretty much to a "t" now on my CBR400 and can clutchless up and down the box and any speed. Its perfect in town when your backs aching a little bit.

Remember, theres no such thing as a stupid question....

Hope this helps...

GYKD

I'm a new rider and the first few times I tried this I couldn't do it at all. I tried again last week and found like a few others on here that applying some upward pressure to the gear lever just before I want to change means that a small backoff of the throttle is enough to make the change easily. It does it ok in most gears at most sensible revs.

rgds

I thought preloading the shifter was bad for the gear box.