not friendly biker places.

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Originally Posted by embee

tend to agree, there's been a bank raid by 4 blokes who made off on 2 bikes, and 3 robberies of late-night convenience stores by a biker in this area recently, so yes it does happen.

True, but that's not really relevant to 99.9999% of bikers. Also, unless they're going to automatically lock the door if you approach it with your helmet still on, it doesn't make them any more secure either. No criminal is going to abide by the "no helmet" request/notices. So, they would have to "lock out" anyone with a helmet on.

The main reason garages seem to cite is that bikers ride off without paying if they don't remove their helmets. There was some stat in MCN a while back that actually, a higher proportion of car drivers driver of without paying, rather than bike.

People often say "it only takes a minute". Well, if you have glasses on and earplugs in, as I usually do, it takes a bit longer. Open visor, remove glasses. Undo strap, remove helmet. Put glasses back on. Put helmet hanging from wing mirror. Unzip pocket. Remove "pill box" type container. Open it. remove earplugs. Put the earplugs in the container, close container, put container in pocket. Walk in, pay. Come out. Remove container from pocket, open container, put earplugs in (this can take as long as a minute in itself if you want to do it properly and wait till they've expanded before putting your lid on). Close box, put it back in pocket. Put on lid. Do it up, put glasses on, close visor. There's also the aspect that if you're going to pay by card, you wouldn't normally need to remove your gloves, whereas when you need to fiddle with earplugs, of course you do. So, in total, I'd say it adds 2-3 minutes to each stop. If you're in a rush, it is a nuisance.

Perhaps more importantly, by agreeing to do it, you're kowtowing to the common conception that all bikers are hells angels/criminals and deserve to be treated like one. A petrol station attendant wouldn't dream of asking a Muslim woman to remove her Burka, what's the difference?

Also, if they tell you "it's against the law" to wear a lid into a petrol station, ask them under which section of which act? I'd be interested to know...

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

A petrol station attendant wouldn't dream of asking a Muslim woman to remove her Burka, what's the difference?

Also, if they tell you "it's against the law" to wear a lid into a petrol station, ask them under which section of which act? I'd be interested to know...

Exactly!!! Well said buddy.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by PoRk ChOp

Exactly!!! Well said buddy.

Ah yes but thats covered by laws pertaining to religious rights and freedoms.
So the simple answer is to make Motorbiking and official religion and then all the clothing we wera will be of religious significance and no one will be able to tell us to take it off.

Cept Mrs Spidey of course

my house was "not biker friendly" on sunday . went out for a quick spin round surrey (as yer do!) but it obviously was not quick enough for the mrs who has only just started talking to me again! i was having fun goddamit......

i like spidey's religion idea - that means i'll have to go to my regional biker church (boxhill) every sunday to maintain my faith!

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by will

my house was "not biker friendly" on sunday . went out for a quick spin round surrey (as yer do!) but it obviously was not quick enough for the mrs who has only just started talking to me again! i was having fun goddamit......

i like spidey's religion idea - that means i'll have to go to my regional biker church (boxhill) every sunday to maintain my faith!

Well i know i pray a lot when i'm on the bike

Surley that counts for something

Originally Posted by stewboy

AYE GEE .......welling ...simple ass....bunch of strokers!!!!!!!!!!![/b]

Yep they're just back after going bust bought my SV from mention aftersales and it's like your talking another language. Shmae really as they're only 2 miles down the road from me. Use Garozzo's for the SV and Boyer for the trumpet much friendlier

I hate the idea of "having" to remove my lid when getting petrol, and have only ever had the problem once, and I won't use the service station again.

What you need to do is get 4 or 5 bikes all to go in (pref during rush hour) and then take a very, very long time about removing your lid, and kitting back up again afterwards.

The other option is just to ignore these stations...

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Originally Posted by Freeloader

Lets face is though...

...removing crash helmets in petrol stations is not a bad thing. It would be so easy to hide form CCTV etc. with a helmet and then hold the place up before getting away on a fast bike.

I worked in security at a supermarket with a petrol station for 3 years and had to deal with drive offs by cars every day but never had an incident with a bike. The petrol stations would save more money refusing to serve anyone in a pre-M reg Honda Civic.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

People often say "it only takes a minute". Well, if you have glasses on and earplugs in, as I usually do, it takes a bit longer. Open visor, remove glasses. Undo strap, remove helmet. Put glasses back on. Put helmet hanging from wing mirror. Unzip pocket. Remove "pill box" type container. Open it. remove earplugs. Put the earplugs in the container, close container, put container in pocket. Walk in, pay. Come out. Remove container from pocket, open container, put earplugs in (this can take as long as a minute in itself if you want to do it properly and wait till they've expanded before putting your lid on). Close box, put it back in pocket. Put on lid. Do it up, put glasses on, close visor. There's also the aspect that if you're going to pay by card, you wouldn't normally need to remove your gloves, whereas when you need to fiddle with earplugs, of course you do. So, in total, I'd say it adds 2-3 minutes to each stop. If you're in a rush, it is a nuisance.

Why do you take out your earplugs? If you're happy to go into the station with a lid on and plugs in, why not do it with a lid off and plugs still in?

If you're paying by card, you can't really expect to be able to conceal your identity. If there's a fraudulent transaction on a card, the first thing the police and bank ask for is CCTV footage, and if the shop's allowed someone to hide their face in this way, they're likely to be found liable for the loss.

And talking about the burqa's a real straw man IMO, there's a difference between a fundamental religious belief, and a slight inconvenience.

TBH I just reckon its bad manners to go into any shop with your lid on... Don't get me wrong, it annoys me as much as anyone else when shops are rude about taking your lid off, but for me that's a different issue- the most reasonable request in the world can cause offence if the person behind it's rude enough.