A2 Commuter dude, your gonna kill yourself....

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Originally Posted by Daimo

So many opinions.... I don't care really, im not riding in a loony style...

Im mearly advising that person of their stupiditty, whether that person or others wishes to pay attention is up to them... Its not my life.....

I thnk the point thats being made is, we are all resposible for our own riding, and who are you, or any of us to criticise?

Who is anyone to criticise about anything anyone else does......

But everyone still feels the need to do it.... Why did people feel the need to reply to this post???? It was only aimed for one person?

Swings n roundabouts and all that....

Originally Posted by Daimo

Who is anyone to criticise about anything anyone else does......

But everyone still feels the need to do it.... Why did people feel the need to reply to this post???? It was only aimed for one person?

Why did you feel the need to make the thread?

You dont even know that person is on here do you?

While I agree with your opinion, I wont hold that against anyone who does it unless they endanger me. Its their choice on what they wear, what they ride and how they ride.

I used to go down the A2 faster than was safe (yellow pointy up until last summer) then got knocked off by putting myself in a situation that I could have (with the training I've had since then) avoided. Each to their own - hopefully if people are riding too fast for the conditions they'll realise before they have an accident. When I finally get back to commuting it'll be at a slower pace but I bet I'll still get to work as quickly by doing better planning on the ride than I used to do.

Originally Posted by lynw

Why did you feel the need to make the thread?

You dont even know that person is on here do you?

While I agree with your opinion, I wont hold that against anyone who does it unless they endanger me. Its their choice on what they wear, what they ride and how they ride.

So you agree but still are trying to argue. Typical lyn eh...

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I used to commute from Swanscombe to London up the A2 for a year some rain, shine or SNOW!

I feel that if someone wants to filter faster than me, then go right ahead, I'll keep my distance and get out of your way ASAP.

What used to annoy me was the constant revving of someone who's impatient behind me. I'm only going to get out of your way when I find a safe place to do so. Also, don't take the delay out on me, there is quite often a que of 7 or more bikes waiting to get past Mr wannabe copper on his white pan-euro that can't really filter as well as some smaller bikes.

Now I have to battle with the A10 and A1. That's much worse!

That's very sensible LH.

Most times I pass another biker, I try to acknowledge it with a show of the left hand.

I notice when I've been trekking around a motorway and then onto a slower A road, I tend to filter much faster than the bikers already on it.

Originally Posted by LH-SV650

I used to commute from Swanscombe to London up the A2 for a year some rain, shine or SNOW!

I feel that if someone wants to filter faster than me, then go right ahead, I'll keep my distance and get out of your way ASAP.

What used to annoy me was the constant revving of someone who's impatient behind me. I'm only going to get out of your way when I find a safe place to do so. Also, don't take the delay out on me, there is quite often a que of 7 or more bikes waiting to get past Mr wannabe copper on his white pan-euro that can't really filter as well as some smaller bikes.

Now I have to battle with the A10 and A1. That's much worse!

I used to pass real bike coppers along embankment and they'd always pull to one side well in time, accepting that they'd hold up other bikes (and actually looking for other bikes coming up behind). I suspect most of the time the guy on the Pan/BMW/Harley/Scooter who's holding everyone up does it because they don't realise they're causing a bike tailback, because they aren't looking in their mirrors, rather than just being a git. Though they are gits.

Originally Posted by SVeeedy Gonzales

I used to pass real bike coppers along embankment and they'd always pull to one side well in time, accepting that they'd hold up other bikes (and actually looking for other bikes coming up behind). I suspect most of the time the guy on the Pan/BMW/Harley/Scooter who's holding everyone up does it because they don't realise they're causing a bike tailback, because they aren't looking in their mirrors, rather than just being a git. Though they are gits.

Yep. I think a lot of the time it's (and this is quite likely if they're slow and hence holding you up) either that they're overcautious, or not very experienced/confident and 100% of their focus is ahead and they're not checking their mirrors. Personally I think bikers, given how much it enrages them when cagers do it to them, should be the last people to intentionally obstruct another bike's progress.

My view is, if something faster than you wants to overtake, get the **** out of the way as soon as it's safe to do so. Trying to set limits on other people's progress based on your perception of their equipment/ability does absolutely nothing for safety and only encourages road rage. Only time I'd say it's justified is give a "slowing down" hand signal and backing off a bit if you've seen an accident/animals on the road/diesel etc. that you may be obscuring from the view of the person behind who is itching to get past.

Daimo: Not having a go, but for all you know, this chap who keeps getting past is a class one bike copper of 20 years experience who has also won races. His SV may also have really sorted aftermarket brakes, pads, lines and discs on them and he might be running supremely sticky tyres (or wets if it's raining). Of course, it's not likely that all those things apply but it's entirely possible. Every time you think "he was going too fast" you should remember that almost every cager you pass will think the same about you. Does that mean they're correct/have the right to impede your progress (under the delusion that they're helping you be "safer") ?! 'Course not!

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

Personally I think bikers, given how much it enrages them when cagers do it to them, should be the last people to intentionally obstruct another bike's progress.

Now I look at it like this. Given how hard drivers make it for us as is, bikers should be the last people to intentionally make it harder by pressurising someone ahead beyond their skills/judgement/experience dictates.

My view is, if something faster than you wants to overtake, get the **** out of the way as soon as it's safe to do so.

But that is whats in question. Peoples judgements of whats safe and whats a sufficient gap to move over into. Everyone is an individual. Whats safe to me isnt necessarily to you and vice versa. A biker behind has a different perspective than someone in front - again you cant apply your perception to someone in a different circumstance really. But people do.

Ime, I can get past bikes that do this [whice are rare] with a bit of planning and smooth riding.

To me, impatient bikers are the bigger hazzard than someone setting limits. Theyre the ones riding too close, moving into escape routes and pulling off seriously dangerous manouvers because they presume theyre being held up deliberately so go past straight into a hazzard being considered by the more cautious rider.

I let someone through last Wednesday only to see him sideswiped by a car changing lane right ahead of me. So perhaps rather than get all worked up into this "its deliberate" mentality, I wish these impatient riders would stop to think that the person being cautious has a bloody good reason for being so.