Two men removed from Monarch Flight

Recent terrorist alerts or not, this whole affair is a disgrace and the passengers responsible for causing such a commotion should be damned ashamed of themselves. That is not sitting on the fence. What if they were guilty my ****!

[Stu]

Can i just play devil's advocate and say that had anyone on a 9/11 plane been in a similar situation they would feel worse they hadn't done something about it at the time. Also all the terror attacks to date the passengers involved had passed through the security measures, so I wouldn't consider them infallible at all, rather an obstacle for them to overcome.
Obviously I don't know what happened but the report I read did say they were acting strange on top of ' the colour of their skin' - many possible reasons for that.
Why not be safe than sorry. Was it not a case that there were so many people refusing to board that action was taken rather than mob rule?

edit: only Alansv had posted when I started.
again I don't know but was it not the No. of people refusing to board that the airline decided to act - you can't blame the people for that.

Stu wrote:

a case that there were so many people refusing to board

Looks pretty much like mob rule to me Stu?

And what incidents are you referring to to where previous incidents had seen people pass through security?

If the 9/11 story is true(come on now you have to be wondering?) the flights were internal and at that time absolute minimal security checks were used.

A car with two front seat passengers of definite middle eastern origin,(indicated by type of clothing and oh my god....rather long beards) pulled up along side me yesterday. Should I have dived for cover expecting the imminent explosion of a suicide car bomb?

Or was I correct to greet them in a friendly manner and give them the advice I thought would help them for the few hours they wanted to spend in Marbella?

Originally Posted by Stu

they were acting strange on top of ' the colour of their skin' -

What they wern't failing to shut up some screaming kids, laugh along to the 'whats been on coronation st while we've been away', not being bevvied up and making furtive comments about the air hostess?

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by Dr Rich

What they wern't failing to shut up some screaming kids, laugh along to the 'whats been on coronation st while we've been away', not being bevvied up and making furtive comments about the air hostess?

Dr Rich - remind me not to get on the same plane as you if you think this is how you should travel!

Yep, sounds like a case of pure hysteria.

[Stu]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5269106.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5267884.stm

I hadn't even heard of this story 'til this thread so I went and read the 2 BBC stories.
Richard Reid passed through security - so now we all have to show our shoes.
I accept your point on 9/11 being internal. I didn't think like that myself as internal flights here have always had the same security IIRC.
I was only going on "They went to the front of the queue, went to the back of the queue, and then they went and sat down by themselves"
I was under the impression that so many people refused to board so that Monarch took the view that it was easier to offload the 2 men than sort out onward transport for so many other people. Plus once they informed security, that was probably what they were instructed to do.
I'm the last person who would want 'the colour of skin' to decide how you were treated - I could post pictures of my wife & kids to support that.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Again the terrorists win because they have disrupted another flight. So bringing more publicity to their cause.

I don't understand this because which terrorists are able to claim credit for this and how is it going to achieve one step/one action in support of their demands?

[fizzwheel]

Stu, What I meant was. That the events of the other week, plus 7/7 & 9/11 do more than just disrupt those particular places on those days. What they do is to create an atmosphere of panic and distrust. Should anybody want to it would be easy to "pretend" to be a terrorist which then causes disruption to everybodies daily lives.

If a terrorist organisation wanted they could take advantage of this by dressing people up to look "funny" or "dodgy" and cause panic such as has happened on this flight. It would take alot of effort to disrupt pretty much any flights into and out of any country.

Therefore surely the atmosphere fear of hysteria we have at the moment is down to percieved threat, which is what the people on the flight mentioned were reacting to. Rather than actual threat. Which could be directed attributed to the events of the other week and that fact that theres still a high level of security in place at airports at present.

With Osmas millions do you really think any self respecting terrorist would fly monarch

[Viney]

Originally Posted by sharriso74

With Osmas millions do you really think any self respecting terrorist would fly monarch

Originally Posted by Stu

I was only going on "They went to the front of the queue, went to the back of the queue, and then they went and sat down by themselves"

Perhaps they had only flown once from the UK were the understood the language and were confused by all the Spanish being spoken. I've seen plenty of people wondering around looking bewildered at airports before now that didn't understand the system.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

If a terrorist organisation wanted they could take advantage of this by dressing people up to look "funny" or "dodgy" and cause panic such as has happened on this flight. It would take alot of effort to disrupt pretty much any flights into and out of any country.

And if you wanted to sneak a bomb on an aircraft would you go out of your way to bring attention to yourself? I think not

Tris