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Old 20-10-06, 11:50 AM   #11
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Yes undertaking by going onto the hard shoulder was naughty. However the Brunstrum should have also commented on the failure of many drivers to keep left and thus forcing the bikers to "undertake".

I however saw these guys making progress by filtering having found slow moving vehicles blocking the overtaking or outside lane
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Old 20-10-06, 11:52 AM   #12
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Tricky, says it all really.
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Old 20-10-06, 11:52 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by El Saxo
The blog in question is here, you can click the link to watch the footage in question.

Yes, they were riding dangerously (IMHO, you may disagree), and they were prosecuted accordingly.

EDIT: whoops, must have been posting at the same time as KrZ when I posted the link.

Anywho, it's this bit I have the problem with:

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Motorcyclists today. Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists - dangerous to the point of recklessness for their own lives and for those of other road users. The very vocal motorcycle lobby leaps into action at the slightest hint of criticism, no matter how well deserved, with a defensiveness bordering on hysteria. Police enforcement of the law is met with reluctant acceptance at best, and all too frequently by outright hostility.
I think what Mr Brunstrom fails to realise is the reason we (or at least I) get so angry, it's because idiots like him tar us all with the same brush, based on the activites of a couple of prats who got caught. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate the 'all coppers are w*nkers' attitude that some people have, so why should we put up with the same from him?
because he does say "Of course we in North Wales police recognise that the majority of motorcyclists are decent law-abiding people, given a bad name by the hooligans."
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Old 20-10-06, 12:06 PM   #14
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The blog in question is here, you can click the link to watch the footage in question.

Yes, they were riding dangerously (IMHO, you may disagree), and they were prosecuted accordingly.

EDIT: whoops, must have been posting at the same time as KrZ when I posted the link.

Anywho, it's this bit I have the problem with:

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Motorcyclists today. Anyone who ventures onto the roads of the UK will be aware of the quite dreadful driving exhibited by so many motorcyclists - dangerous to the point of recklessness for their own lives and for those of other road users. The very vocal motorcycle lobby leaps into action at the slightest hint of criticism, no matter how well deserved, with a defensiveness bordering on hysteria. Police enforcement of the law is met with reluctant acceptance at best, and all too frequently by outright hostility.
I think what Mr Brunstrom fails to realise is the reason we (or at least I) get so angry, it's because idiots like him tar us all with the same brush, based on the activites of a couple of prats who got caught. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate the 'all coppers are w*nkers' attitude that some people have, so why should we put up with the same from him?
because he does say "Of course we in North Wales police recognise that the majority of motorcyclists are decent law-abiding people, given a bad name by the hooligans."
Point taken, but to me that sounds like an afterthought. The headline of his blog and the theme of the rest of it, particularly the paragraph I quoted, is very anti-bike. What he should really be drawing attention to is the so-called 'lunacy' of two particluar individuals on the road. The fact they are on motorcycles is secondary, because their behaviour would be equally, if not more, dangerous if they were in a car or a HGV.
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Old 20-10-06, 12:07 PM   #15
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He obviously never watched Wacky Races either!!

I mean, chugaboom could climb hills
Professor Pat Pending flew his.....
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Old 20-10-06, 12:16 PM   #16
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Old 20-10-06, 12:24 PM   #17
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I haven't seen the video (yet) but, ahem. Are they sure they didn't catch me & I just have no memory of it?

Yes, I wouldn't do the undertaking in the hard shoulder. But I use the stretch of road mentionned in the blog quite a bit. As for speeds, well, I wont comment.

Perhaps time to be more restrained, and instead of looking forwards/backward for Mr. Plod, I should also be looking up.
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Old 20-10-06, 12:31 PM   #18
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OK, so I've just seen the video, and well, there were a few hairy moments. But nothing major wrong with it.

The undertake on the hard shoulder was wrong, but other than that, they were just filtering agressively.

Personally, I don't ride that hard, but I know EXACTLY where that video was shot, and I use that stretch daily.
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Old 20-10-06, 12:34 PM   #19
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hmm, probably going to be shouted down here but I do think their filtering at that speed is dangerous. I'm not going to go into the hard shoulder bit as that is just plain stupid but I don't see a problem with both of those riders being banned, their riding deserves it.

*note to self, look up*
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Old 20-10-06, 12:35 PM   #20
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Er... I watched the clip and the only thing I wouldn't have done is undertake the car in the slow lane... I guess I'm a lunatic hooligan biker... :?
Ditto. Did they also prosecute the dozens of drivers in breach of the highway code using the overtaking lane unnecessarily?
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