Cage driver randomness

Glad youre ok

I think I deciphered how you described the incident correctly, the advice given on my advanced training was - never to overtake where there is any sort of turning on the right - I even got blasted by my observer once for overtaking when there was a small unmade road on the right I said to him - "but the guy wasnt indicating and anyway surely no one would turn in there it looked like a farm track?" he said always expect the unexpected - so I do now - better safe than sorry

I don't really understand all the 'expect the unexpected' calls. The guy was indicating right......
Anyhoo, glad you didn't get hit!

Originally Posted by Nekkid

I don't really understand all the 'expect the unexpected' calls. The guy was indicating right......
Anyhoo, glad you didn't get hit!

Read my post properly before patronising, thanks.

Originally Posted by need2ride

Glad youre ok

I think I deciphered how you described the incident correctly, the advice given on my advanced training was - never to overtake where there is any sort of turning on the right - I even got blasted by my observer once for overtaking when there was a small unmade road on the right I said to him - "but the guy wasnt indicating and anyway surely no one would turn in there it looked like a farm track?" he said always expect the unexpected - so I do now - better safe than sorry

Never overtake on at any junction at all would be my advise.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Read my post properly before patronising, thanks.

I did, and I didn't mean to be patronising. Sorry if I caused offence to anyone.

I was just surprised that some of the phrases people used (not you, incidentally) are similar to those that would be used when someone tells of an idiot on the motorway who cuts accross all 3 lanes without indicating, or something similar.

Again, no offence meant.

Originally Posted by BigApe

Never overtake on at any junction at all would be my advise.

I was relating to this particular incident - but point taken

Originally Posted by Filipe M.

Well said. Always remember "Assumption is the mother of all **** ups."

I live my life with that saying... and sometimes remind myself the hard way.

Glad you made it through FSquirrel.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

As the car was indicating I'd probably be found partly if not entirely to blame and if I'm honest, deservidly so too.

I think you're right, you'd be found entirely to blame as the car was indicating right to turn right and you overtook. It sounds like the car driver was doing everything properly, apart from a quick check of the mirror and over his shoulder before turning (but then if we're honest haven't we all done that in the car, assuming the indicator was enough?).

The most important thing is that nobody was hurt though. I suppose it's one of those things we learn from.

I stand ready to be flamed if anyone feels like it!

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Originally Posted by Nutter

I think you're right, you'd be found entirely to blame as the car was indicating right to turn right and you overtook. It sounds like the car driver was doing everything properly, apart from a quick check of the mirror and over his shoulder before turning (but then if we're honest haven't we all done that in the car, assuming the indicator was enough?).

The most important thing is that nobody was hurt though. I suppose it's one of those things we learn from.

I stand ready to be flamed if anyone feels like it!

Glad you made it through Simon.

Nutter, I'm not flaming but not doing that quick check in the nirror causes a lot of accidents so I wouldn't call it a minor issue. Infact I'll say, the driver probably had his indicators going was just a case of "eye service" (what a surprise ).
A driver/rider should never assume the indicator is enough. The times I've done similar (I've even done it on a bike) have been when other muppets have done stuff which meant I've had to change course suddenly.

At those time I've flicked the incators and changed course without looking or doing mirror or shoulder check more or less at the same time. The important bit is that I was not assummimg that was good enough but rather I was hoping it would be good enough if there was another vehicle close by having been forced into a situation where the normal procedurewas not an option.

Looking at Flamin_Squirrels' post, I'll say even though he should have held back(as he said himself) that was just another idiot in a car. Some cars seem to have

Some cars appear to have some sort of forcefiled that pulls them along with the bus. Then suddenly, OMG...that bus is stopping at a bus stop when if they had been paying attention they would have seen the driver had made their intention clear for while .
We won't get stuck into the bus drivers who don't cancel their indicators after pull out from a stop


Cheers
Ben



Cheers
Ben

I like what David Hough said about this sort of issue. I'll have to paraphrase, because I don't have the quotes handy. First thing, "You may not be at fault in an accident, but you're always responsible." Second, "They're called accidents because we don't intend them; accidents happen when we're surprised. The person least likely to be injured while riding, is the person who is least often surprised."

Not really quotes but I got both ideas from him. Reading his stuff really helped me crystallize observations I'd made in previous years of riding.

We could have a heck of an ongoing thread if we all told all the times cagers had done things that would have injured us if we hadn't been watching out. I can think of about a half dozen incidents that required my care, during the last month.