Vehicle tracking/Road Pricing policy petition

[Viney]

Originally Posted by Jabba

That sounds so simple and with no obvious flaws. Bang in line with "the polluter pays" and all that so why don't the govt do it?

I can only think of three reasons:

1. The industry lobby........it will make movement of goods more expensive and the 1000s of motorway miles pounded by reps in Mondeos will become very expensive
2. The govt will find a way of using it as a revenue-raiser
3. The VED system provides a simple check for insurance and MOT purposes. Okay, its not perfect but its better than nothing and swapping for another system will be expensive.

Ok.

Point 1. Road pricing will do this anyway to a greater extent. Lorries etc already pay a hefty whack in RFL. Could create jobs buy buliding more distribution centers around the country as opposed to one in the midlands, then shipping from there etc.

Point 2. It will be a revnue raiser. If they remove RFL, then they need to get it somewhere. If you mean that it would increase weekly as opposed to annualy as current then fair point

Point 3. In this day and age, do we really need some numpty in a post office to check this stuff? We live in the age of technology, cameras, and ANPR (Automatic numberplate recognition) Besides there are more than enough people driving around with out anything anyway. It will stop that!

Point 4..oh there wasnt one, but i suppose that its just to god damn easy.

Just done some simple maths!!
A car that averages 30mpg and covers 10k per year (the averages apprently) and has a RFL of £200 say, the fuel duty would have to rise 13p per Litre to recover that ammount over a year based on the above figures. Hell petrol has fluctuated by 24ppl recently. I dont see what the issue would/could be. Its soooo simple

Originally Posted by Viney

If you mean that it would increase weekly as opposed to annualy as current then fair point

I mean that I can't see this govt resisting the temptation to increase total motoring revenue; no way would this present govt miss an opportunity like that.

The same govt who urged us to save for retirement by putting money into our pensions and then started to tax remove billions from the funds in new taxation, the same govt who had an unforseen VAT windfall when petrol prices increased but wouldn't cut duty to compensate, the same govt who...... okay, okay, I'll stop

Originally Posted by Viney

Its soooo simple

It is. Would be simple to administer, too, using the petrol retailers as unpaid tax collectors thereby allowing them to save money in addition by cutting jobs at the DVLA VED Dept............ ah, that's why it will never happen

[timwilky]

Surely they can't bring in road pricing without providing an alternative. Scrapping RFL in favour of adding to fuel costs is unfair on those of us who have no alternative to private transport.

The bus service where I live is a joke last one out of town is at 10:35pm and first in a morning is 6:35. but priced so high I was shocked at being charged £2.50 to travel 3 miles when I last left my car in town for a service. Where my parents live. A bus passes about a mile away 2 days a week. So much for choice.

I live and work close to the M6. about a 40 mile distance. To travel by car takes about 30 minutes. By public transport over 7 hours. Both Preston and Knutsford are railway towns, but on different unco-ordinated lines. I would need to catch the first train out of Manchester to Knutsford. Unfortunately the first train in from Preston arrives after my only available train leaves. Great the time table actually suggests I wait 6 hours overnight on Piccadilly station.

My biggest issue is all the decision makers live/work in London. A city with a public transport infrastructure. The people making these decisions all think that this kind of public transport is available to all.

I honestly think the government should be encouraging business to use more home working where possible. I am fortunate and can do quite a bit of work from home, except when in meetings engineer mode. But I am encouraging more use of video conferencing, application sharing etc to permit more remote meetings to take place. It is in business interests. no more expensive office space, no needs for heating, lighting, canteens, etc. The cost of a broadband connection is far less than a seat in a town centre office block. I know empire builders like to see bums on seats, but they need to be educated that these are the most expensive bums to employ. A guy getting on with his job remotely and with the flexibility to put his hours in where they are needed is a valuable asset.

Originally Posted by timwilky

A guy getting on with his job remotely and with the flexibility to put his hours in where they are needed is a valuable asset.

MayI give my boss your phone number?

It would also help if we taxed people coming into the country?

[Viney]

Originally Posted by timwilky

Surely they can't bring in road pricing without providing an alternative. Scrapping RFL in favour of adding to fuel costs is unfair on those of us who have no alternative to private transport.

My biggest issue is all the decision makers live/work in London. A city with a public transport infrastructure. The people making these decisions all think that this kind of public transport is available to all.

Tim. I see where youa re coming from, but you made the decsion to stay with your current job and commute the distance you do, so the fact that you have no alternitive is a feeble ecuse

As for Living in lodon...come and live here for a while, and i garuntee that you'll be moaning about the transport system soon enough. Yes we might have this infrastruture, but we have 10 times more people using it!

Let me ask you this then. If you had to make a choice between road pricing or Fuel on petrol, what would you take?

Jabbs: I agree totaly, we are all screwed either way.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Viney

road pricing or Fuel on petrol, what would you take?

I guess I'd take it on fuel. But I'd insist that the extra money I pay is actually used in the upkeep on the road system and that the railways are nationalised again and that some of the extra fuel revenue is used to fix our railway infrastructure so that all of the heavyfrieght is taken off the roads. The bus service where I live is a total joke it would take me less time to walk to work than it would to get the bus and its more expensive than running a car is.

It could work. It used to, all it would need is a fleet of smaller lorries to take the freight to its final destination.

[Biker Biggles]

Signed.
Could be a brilliant idea but far too Big Brother.Until we get some cast iron safeguards built into the constitution of this country,I'm dead against the state knowing anything about me.Nothing to hide(I think)but there's no trust in those in authority.Their mentality would be to sink to the lowest common denominator and use it as a petty fund raiser and worse.Who would have thought they would use street surveillance cameras to issue parking tickets when they first came out a decade ago?They were meant to prevent your Granny getting mugged or murdered I thought.

I dont know what the problem is. You can be tracked by you mobile phone to couple of metres.

i noticed chuck norris has signed it.

if i was tony blair, i wouldnt want to argue with him.