Arygll & Bute Police Targeting Bikers Season...

I have visited/lived up that area for years from Balachulish to Oban. Quite simply the police presence is due to the increasing number of complaints from holiday homers complaining about the noise and speeding. Because the police get all these complaints it racks up on their ticket system and they have to act on it. Freedom of information act will give you info about the calls received in the area.

What really ****es me off is the police do **** all about the drink driving that goes on 7 nights a week - plenty of them holiday home owners by the way. If they sat outside any one of the local pubs at shutting time or waited outside the village paper shop on a Sunday morning they would get their fill of drunk drivers. The weekenders are easy to spot - usually shiny new 4x4s, mercs, big bmws Audi TTs, soft tops etc that none of the locals would drive around in.

Easy answer is to increase the number of complaints to outweigh the bike complaints. This will put their call logging system into the red and they have to act on it.

For example... one way would be to increase the number of ASBOS against weekend holiday home owners. If you see a sign outside a house saying "private road" or "no tresspassers" then it is 99% certain that it is a holiday home owner. (True locals never do this). There's no such thing as a private road or a tresspass law* in Scotland. Its illegal to prevent anyone access by displaying such a sign. If you see a sign like this then call the police saying you have been denied access or through passage. By doing this the owner has to remove the sign. Go back a week later and if the owner hasn't removed it then call the Police again. Insist they serve an ASBO on them. If they don't do this then they should confiscate their cars and houses.

* The only law governing "trespass" in Scotland applies ONLY if the landowner can prove damage to the property.

who cause nuisance and annoyance to other people....under Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) legislation those caught speeding or distressing members of the public ... local people and visitors to enjoy the peace and quiet of the area as much as the bikers."

Er...what about the fecking Tornadoes that scare the ****e out of people, scare livestock and make children cry when they fly past. Are they going to serve ASBOS on the RAF????

We aim to target the minority who are intent in exceeding the speed limit, riding carelessly and making a nuisance of themselves

Er...since when was pulling in every biker targetting the minority???

Not being wrong here but if some gezzer is doing well over the ton and gets pulled then whos to blame for that?

Many a time I've been on the road and some knobster has done something stoooooopid and deserves a tug.

The police are wrong to target bikers for sure but the eejits ruin it for us less eejits.

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by The Basket

The police are wrong to target bikers for sure but the eejits ruin it for us less eejits.

totally agree, this kind of behaviour gives us all a bad name.

i am glad i got my blackbird now! when i did...

cause if the numptys of the road keep going the way they r going...
its just going to spoil it for everyone else...to the point some people might just give up biking all together cause of new and wonderfull government laws...

IE -
the NEW super test centers...
making it harder to get your bike lisence all together and down right impossible for some!
this also puts small local town instructors/schools out of business cause no one lives near a test center or can be botherd learning cause it tooo much hassel!

you would think the governemt would welcome the use of motorbikes...
smaller...less harmfull to ecco system...ease traffic on roads...
but instead...
we are getting branded as criminals...
being baned from ridding your bikes to/from work by some companies...
having th ablity of sitting your bike test restricted to a handful of places in the whole country...

its a poor state of affairs and can only see it getting worse!
Bikers are like Jedi...soon to be x-stinct by the greater darker powers!

Originally Posted by DaBlackKnight

nuisance and annoyance to other people?!?!
does that include people who sit at 25 mph in a national speed limit area?

You must have forgotten then that the speed limit is a maximum and not a requirement! Its annoying but they are not neccessarly doing anything wrong in the eyes of the law

and by the way the ASBO legislation cannot be used in the way that they are saying and in the same vein you cannot insist that the police serve ASBOs on anyone - as they don't deal with the legislation and the amount of evidence required and legal procedures can make it a very lengthy process.

Easiest way to avoid it all - brush up on your legislation as the police invariably know jack s*** about it!

[peterco]

Slow Driving and Safe Driving

Paul Ripley explains how driving too slowly can be just as dangerous and antisocial as excessive speed



There is no need to feel guilty for driving at less than the speed limit if that is what safety requires, and I would never condemn anyone for doing so; indeed, I have frequently pointed out that speed limits represent a maximum, not a safe speed for all conditions.
Excessive speed is a causal factor in relatively few accidents (less than 10 per cent). Nevertheless, crude or not, speed limits save lives, and nobody in their right mind would argue against their sensible application. Irrespective of what limit is attached to a particular section of road, and whether it is sensible or not, we all have a duty to drive legally and, more importantly, safely.
Like other responsible drivers, I may choose to drive below a given speed limit if it isn't safe to proceed any quicker. But this requires judgment. To drive along a motorway at 30mph in good conditions because I didn't want to go any faster would not be a safe thing to do.
Similarly, if you drive at 40mph in a 50mph zone when there is no justification for such caution, you should not be surprised if a queue of drivers builds up behind you. And at that point you should take their rights and feelings into account as well as your own. How would you feel if you were held up by someone who shared your philosophy, but regarded 20mph as the ideal speed?
We all have to share the available road space, and to do so safely requires co-operation, courtesy and compassion. Yet some motorists don't seem to understand the effect they have on others. Persistent dawdling and/or obstruction can wreak havoc on the tempers of following drivers who lack a masters degree in patience, and their increasingly desperate attempts to overtake can be highly dangerous.
It is foolish of them to take risks, but the slowcoach at the head of the procession must share some of the responsibility for allowing the situation to arise. We are dealing with humans, not robots.
It is said of some drivers that thay have never have had an accident but have caused hundreds, and there is an element of truth in that stereotype. It is certainly hard to believe that the many drivers who travel everywhere at a steady 40mph - 20mph below the speed limit on the open road, but 10mph above the limit in villages and towns - are safer than those who vary their speed according to the prevailing conditions and the posted limit.
Try to ensure that when you drive below the limit you do so for a good and justifiable reason and not because you are unaware of the needs of others or get some kind of kick out of imposing your philosophy on them. If you really don't feel comfortable at a higher speed, allow following drivers to overtake you, as The Highway Code demands.
And if you find yourself in a procession but are unwilling to pass those ahead of you, then for goodness' sake leave an adequate space between you and the car in front so that those who wish to overtake can safely slot into the gap as they work their way past the queue; forcing a driver to overtake several vehicles at once, or making it hard for him to pull in, is a recipe for disaster. Selfish drivers are bad drivers, and potentially dangerous at any speed.

(Taken from the "Daily Telegraph", Saturday 9 March 2002. The copyright of Paul Ripley and the Daily Telegraph is acknowledged)
pete

Originally Posted by Quedos

and by the way the ASBO legislation cannot be used in the way that they are saying

Wrong. The Police can serve ASBOs. As for using the legislation - you're also wrong. Tayside Police have been doing this since 2004.

http://www.tayside.police.uk/newsarc...n=11&year=2005

There was a whole program dedicated to ASBOs a couple of weeks ago on living TV channel. ("Police camera action" or something like that.) The TV crew followed a Tayside Police Traffic unit around Dundee. They were stopping cars with loud pipes on, checking computers and towing them away.

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Wrong. The Police can serve ASBOs. As for using the legislation - you're also wrong. Tayside Police have been doing this since 2004.

http://www.tayside.police.uk/newsarc...n=11&year=2005

There was a whole program dedicated to ASBOs a couple of weeks ago on living TV channel. ("Police camera action" or something like that.) The TV crew followed a Tayside Police Traffic unit around Dundee. They were stopping cars with loud pipes on, checking computers and towing them away.

Indy runs and hides............................


......Stuarty - you've perhaps bitten off the wrong apple there mate- she works in Anti-Social and has done for a number of years now!


Remember......

Originally Posted by Tayside Rozzers

New powers introduced under the act assist the police in dealing with people who cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public through the antisocial use of vehicles on or off public roads.

Garry

Originally Posted by independentphoto

Indy runs and hides............Stuarty - you've perhaps bitten off the wrong apple there mate- she works in Anti-Social and has done for a number of years now!

Remember......Garry

I'm not scared of anyone Maybe I phrased it wrong.

I'm sure she does but unless I read wrong and saw wrong those were definitely Police impounding those cars and bikes.

If Q knows something we dont or has advice to help us then get it on here so we can all benefit.