Jamie Bulger. petition

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

At the risk of coming across as the argumentative angry short bloke, I'm afraid I won't be signing this one. Their crimes were abhorent and barbaric and in no way can I condone what they did. But - relocation and anonymity - of course, the only alternative is mob justice. That may indeed be what they deserve but it is not what civilised society does.

I also have to hold out hope in rehabilitation. They were 10. Not an excuse but surely a factor, and if anyone can be rehabilitated then it's a 10 year old. They have the opportunity to make something of their lives for the betterment of society, something they took away from Jamie Bulger.

the optimist in me agrees with you, the pessimist doesnt! for now the optimist is winning, i still hold out hope that offenders can be rehabilitated. however the more i read of whats going on in the world the more the pessimist gains strength.

I'm with MiniMatt on this one.

Prison is there for punishment & rehabilitation.

A petition like the one above is for the mob rule mentality. The petitions states

"One paper even stated that Robert may go on to a University." And? If they've served their time for a crime what should they do next?
"They are getting away with their crime." Erm, they went to prison for more time than they had lived outside of prison.
"If Robert and Jon could be so evil at 10 years old, imagine what they could do as adults!" Speculation. I imaigne many things, what it would be like to win th lottery, doesn't mean it's going to happen...

The crime was absolutely shocking, appalling & degrading to poor Jamie. But they have since been punished. Nothing will ever bring Jamie Bulger back.

Move on.

Originally Posted by Kinvig

I'm with MiniMatt on this one.

Prison is there for punishment & rehabilitation.

A petition like the one above is for the mob rule mentality. The petitions states

"One paper even stated that Robert may go on to a University." And? If they've served their time for a crime what should they do next? dunno? but sending them to oz with a pile of cash seems wrong.
"They are getting away with their crime." Erm, they went to prison for more time than they had lived outside of prison.no they did,nt
"If Robert and Jon could be so evil at 10 years old, imagine what they could do as adults!" Speculation. I imaigne many things, what it would be like to win th lottery, doesn't mean it's going to happen... true......

The crime was absolutely shocking, appalling & degrading to poor Jamie. But they have since been punished. Nothing will ever bring Jamie Bulger back.

Move on.tell jamies parants that

would you be ok with them living next door to you if you had small childrun?

[Messie]

I too have to agree strongly with MiniMatt and Kinvig on this. Rehabilitation of offenders has to be the goal of a civilised and intelligent society. In my opinion wanting revenge on somebody who has done wrong makes you as bad as the wrong doer (same as I believe capital punishment for murder is (state sanctioned) murder as well). The two boys have been punished quite severely according to the law of this country. They were 10 years old when they committed the crime. One of the boys has/had learning difficulties and was very much under the influence of the other. A little bit of understanding goes a long way in terms of us learning and perhaps preventing such crimes in the future.

IMO what we should be hoping for is that these two young men have been rehabilitated and can now make a useful contribution to society.

And yes I would still belive this if my 2 year old angel of a granddaughter was a victim of such a crime (what's a non-religious way of saying God forbid?).

I would like to agree, but the nature of the crime was enough to tell me that people like that are beyond, no, don't deserve, rehabilitation.
In this case, the answer would have been lethal injection.
That is my opinion and i am entitled to it, whatever this current Government may think.

It is interesting to note that out of all the places they could have been sent, we seem to still be sending our criminals to Australia.

Not trying to sound frivilous - just a thought is all.

Those online petitions work so well too! I'm glad we're living in a democracy...

I don't know the full details of the case or what has happened recently, so for me it is hard to say much of anything.
I certainly don't know whether the children have changed or not.
What I do know is that if the 2 children had killed an adult then there would have been less anger from people in general, If they had served their full term again less anger, If they had not gone to Australia or their families no been compensated etc etc.
I understand that some people want revenge and that others believe that we should forgive. But without the full knowledge on each individual it is hard for me to say whether they deserve capital punishment or inprisonment for a period of time.
Don't get me wrong i'm no bleeding heart liberal and my friends will tell you, but getting the facts first is very important.
Said enough now due to the fact I could ramble on for hours, which is not good at all.

Right on clap trap in my opinion. These people were animals. I am not allowed to move to Australia because I am not skilled/clever enough .... ironic really.

I am a forgiving person, in most circumstances, but this was treatment that was not worthy of an animal. So what if they spent more time in prison then out, good, let them rot. I don't want them anywhere near my children.

Compensation my ar*e
rehabilitation my ar*e (in this case)
Australia my ar*e.

This makes me very angry.


signed x

I'm ambivalent about this one, but I have to question whether this is all just a hit-gathering experiment for the website builders behind it, who haven't even been able to check they've spelt Jamie Bulger correctly on the front page.

Somehow I doubt signing or not signing will make any difference.