Racism in the UK in 2011

Originally Posted by The Idle Biker

To me racism isn't necessarily what you think or feel, we all feel predujice, we all feel aggresive or defensive from time to time, we all feel frustrated when the things around us change for the worst, it's natural, it's in us and we'll all curse and blame others and then, the PC do gooders that have flopped too far to one side will try to make us fell guilty about how we feel. ****em.

What's racism to me are the actions: the kid in play ground with no mates cause he's the wrong colour, the bloke going home from work on the tube surrounding by blokes threatening him cause of his colour, the guy who gets his head stamped on cause of his colour, the girl with the swastika carved on her arm cause she stood up to the local BNPP, the family that gets dog **** pushed through their letter box, and the kids who get spat at, the best girl at work who gets overlooked cause of her colour. Seen all this, loads more and worse, it's all ****ing horrible when you see it up close and personal. Base reactions, racism is garbage, lowest demonator, inexcusable.

Not pretending I have the answers, I feel the same when mullahs and reactionists, and segregation tosspots strut their stuff but blow it .........if I gave in to all my natural reactions and base instincts I would have been banged up long ago. Personal view of course but you've got to try to make it work, weed out the extremists, **** stirring politicians and newspapers and people will try to get on. Going for a joint now and to listen to my Lennon albums..

Good post, fully agree .

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

*Well, I am, but don't think I am on any stupid guilt trip because we used to own half the world like all these left wing idiots seem to be. We used to own half the world because we were the best in the world, the most ambitious, the most intelligent, the most industrious. We should think about staying there, not apologising for it.

And before you used to own half the world, the beasts from the east ruled the whole world (or what was worth owning at the time). That's simply civilisation, and whilst these parts of the world were savage, maths and science were flourishing elsewhere.

Being the most intelligent, industrious, ambitious etc is not worth squat without some basic morality and human rights. Slavery in many parts of the world was abolished long ago..Cassius Clay and many others of his colours converted and changed their name for what reason? Because the religion they sought was about equality in colour long before their nation gave a toss.

Actually, if we're using colours to describe people, then the white man was treating black people like absolute crud not too long ago. USA, and much more recently South Africa. Even when America abolished slavery, black people were still second class citizen's and treated awfully. The senseless killing in South Africa - truly horrific. Can the white man not bring 'civilisation' to a country fairly without treating the natives like animals?

One white man got very powerful in the 1930's, and his racist ideology almost led him to accomplish his goal of exterminating a whole load of people based simply on their religion. Didn't get too far off with the body count of 6million innocent men, kids and women mind you.

The lesson, white men with a lot of power will destroy much around them, starting with cultures and religions they don't understand or want to eradicate on the basis of racial scapegoats. Based simply on history and statistics.

Surely I'm not generalising here am I?

[BanannaMan]

Originally Posted by thulfi

Cassius Clay converted and changed his name for what reason? Because the religion he sought was about equality in colour long before his nation was.

Not even close.
The fact is Cassius Clay coverted to avoid being drafted into the US army, so he would not have to go fight the war in Vietnam.

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Originally Posted by thulfi

The fact is Cassius Clay coverted to avoid being drafted into the US army, so he would not have to go fight the war in Vietnam.

Really? I've read that

Originally Posted by sources

After winning the championship from Liston in 1964, Clay revealed that he was a member of the Nation of Islam (often called the Black Muslims at the time) and the Nation gave Clay the name Cassius X, discarding his surname as a symbol of his ancestors' enslavement, as had been done by other Nation members.

Originally Posted by sources

Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not "righteous." Ali claimed that white people hated black people.[7]

also this

Originally Posted by ali quote in this video

Accepting the Islamic religion was better for me, whereas another person; Shintaoism, Buddhism, Christianity (Baptist, Catholic, Protestant) Jewish, that may fill another man...but you can choose any religion you want, but if you believe in your seeked God (because all of 'em are good'), so I chose the Islamic religion, that's why I chose it.

[BanannaMan]

Originally Posted by thulfi

Really? I've read that

Yep it's true.
He did have to go to jail for it but avoided the war.
What a pussy. They never send celebs to the front lines.
And it was 3 years before his # came up in the draft.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali


"Originally known as Cassius Clay, Ali changed his name after joining the Nation of Islam in 1964, subsequently converting to Islam in 1975 and more recently to Sufism.[when?][2] In 1967, Ali refused to be conscripted into the U.S. military, based on his religious beliefs and opposition to the Vietnam War. He was arrested and found guilty on draft evasion charges, stripped of his boxing title, and his boxing license was suspended. He was not imprisoned, but did not fight again for nearly four years while his appeal worked its way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, where it was successful."

Northwind, I'm really sorry but it does sound like you have been hiding in a little white blinkered corner somewhere all your life.

I was born in a reasonable sized town in North Devon (about 70k people).
At one time there was one asian family running the corner shop and one black guy called Nicky Adams.
Black Nick was from Trinidad and was a bloody good plasterer and everyone asked for him as "Black Nick".
I've got some great memories of Nicky as I saw a far bit of him due to him and Dad working and drinking together and was also my god father.
Racism wasnt so much of an issue and a couple more asian families moved into town.
Nobody minded, caused a fuss because they had integrated themselves into the rest of the town.
One lad I went to school with had a hard time from some of the stupid kids due to the fact he was called Rice and was a "paki", well actually he was half Syrian but still got labeled a "paki" as they didnt know better and were too thick to actually see past the skin tone and get to know the guy.
I moved away from my home town in North Devon in 2003.
When I left there the town was about 92% white still.
Moving to Northampton was an eye opener for me due to the fact that pretty much everywhere you go in town, english is the last language you hear.
Polish is very strong here as well as Romanian, Albanian and of course Indian languages.
I have never been racist and have always tried to see things from both sides even if sitting on the race fence gets you splinters in the ass so to speak.
I was lucky enough to land a contract in Kingston Upon Thames for 12 months and the build team was 6 English lads and 32 others from Romania, Lithuania, Poland etc.
We (as English) were in the minority on an English site.
I had a great time and it was new for me to be able to chat openly about what other races and cultures believe in and live.
Dont forget here that I was from a pretty sheltered town in the ar5e end of knowhere until this point.
Now having worked in Luton, this is where some of my views were changed.
I was spat at, had cars driven towards me and threatened verbally and physically, because I was white and working in an asian area.
It wasnt just me, it was anyone on the team who was white.
Gladly, I left the site for a better job elsewhere...
Coventry has a high Asian population who keep themselves to their own areas within pockets of the city.
They buy one house, move the whole family in and buy houses in the same street as they become available.
The more of the families move there, suddenly more houses come on the market.
The areas spread and more surrounding houses come on the market.
I have not felt the threat in Coventry but can see why a white family would feel intimidated by being in a mostly Asian populated area.
The schools become Asian filled, the teachers are Asian too and the white families move out to a different area.
This creates "Asian only" schools as the whole catchment area is predominantly Asian.
Having had the Joy of working in Birmingham for the last 2 years, I can also relate to what Specialone has commented on.
Again, the same as Coventry, small pockets are bought and are spreading.
I have been in areas of Birmingham where I have looked around and see no other white people.
That is FACT.
I wont even go into the mess Peterborough has got (22 different languages according to Cambs Constabulary at last count) into where there are complaints about santas grotto in the shopping centre at christmas as it is "Too white" FFS, Its in England!!
There are areas that have had so many race related problems that the police wont even go there unless they really have to.

I am lucky in my position where I choose to employ who I think is best for the job in hand.
I have worked with companies who have been informed by Investors In People that they should be taking on a more "multi cultural" workforce.
Rubbish.
My rules are that first they have to have a good level of the English language before they even set foot on my site.
Chinese, Asian, Black I really dont care but if they try and pull the race card, rightly or wrongly, I'll throw them off site straight away.
I need to be able to tell them once what to do and let them get on with it.
More importantly if something is falling off the scaffold above me, I want them to be able to shout and tell me to get the f**k out of the way...

Yes I have had my eyes opened wide by moving to the Midlands and yes, I have made some good friends from different races and beliefs, But I do see the growing problem in certain areas, especially as more come in from eastern europe while we are struggling to keep ourselves going as it is.

I dont mind people trying to better themselves in a different country and try to get a better life, but the least that should be done is to actually learn the native language (I know some areas of Brum doesnt have English as the native language)

So, In sumary, I am not racist, But I am rapidly becoming less proud of being English too.
More and more so as England is being swallowed up in PC claptrap.

I wonder what would happen if we tried to build churches and convert muslim countries to christianity....


Oh yes, They would cut our heads off..

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Originally Posted by Owenski

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Had to happen one day

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by thulfi

And before you used to own half the world, the beasts from the east ruled the whole world (or what was worth owning at the time). That's simply civilisation, and whilst these parts of the world were savage, maths and science were flourishing elsewhere.

Being the most intelligent, industrious, ambitious etc is not worth squat without some basic morality and human rights. Slavery in many parts of the world was abolished long ago.

Actually, if we're using colours to describe people, then the white man was treating black people like absolute crud not too long ago. USA, and much more recently South Africa. Even when America abolished slavery, black people were still second class citizen's and treated awfully. The senseless killing in South Africa - truly horrific. Can the white man not bring 'civilisation' to a country fairly without treating the natives like animals?

The lesson, white men with a lot of power will destroy much around them, starting with cultures and religions they don't understand or want to eradicate on the basis of racial scapegoats. Based simply on history and statistics.

Surely I'm not generalising here am I?

True, but do the Greeks have some sort of guilty conscience for inventing trigonometry? A lot of kids doing GCSE's would say they should. Are the Romans guilty? Are the Iranians guilty? Are the turks guilty? Nah, it is just some idiots here who have this ridiculous notion of shame.

We should be the best, with morals. If China is going to be the next great power, guaranteed they don't have any.

South Africa? What about Rhodesia, utopia of racial equality now eh

You want to generalise based on history and statistics? Black men must all be knuckle dragging, genocidal, raping animals. Last I checked there have been more race wars in Africa than anywhere in Germany or Balkans.
There is no lesson there about race, just one that people will kill each other based on no sensible reason. Not long since millions of white men killed each other over a feud began 20 years before. Si vis pacem, para bellum.