Racism in the UK in 2011

Originally Posted by speedplay

Nothing implied in my post at all.

Originally Posted by speedplay

I wonder what would happen if we tried to build churches and convert muslim countries to christianity....


Oh yes, They would cut our heads off..

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by thulfi

also,the dome of the rock, the most important mosque in Jerusalem

forgot about that one...touche

Aside from those in Ottoman times etc etc

I used Cyprus as an example of modern day muslims ransacking and desecrating/defacing/converting churches. Mainly as I've seen it myself. Not that they use them for restaurants and nightclubs, they use them for their own religious purposes...fairy doos, but I think the Greeks would have preferred their churches to stay Catholic, in 1974

I somehow doubt the UK is anywhere near a little arguement over who should live where, or worship what, using guns and bombs to solve it, but a lot of people feel they are being closed in on. I live in an area that is increasingly turning into a Muslim area, for some its mortifying, but to me I couldnt give a monkeys as long as the place is clean and tidy and I get a good nights sleep, with neighbours that i get on with

Originally Posted by thulfi

Sarcasm was obviously lost...


Sort of guessed the sarcastic smilie may have given it away a bit...

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

hmm a difficult thing to debate about. See I can go to Cyprus, and rather too many Churches, especially in the Turkish Northern 'unrecognised' side, have been taken over, ransacked and turned into Mosques, all exterior emblems defaced. In fact a large monastry, in Famagusta, has been nicely turned into a museum as an after thought, to keep the Greeks happy


Yes I am aware, that I am talking about a different issue, but why the lack of respect for religious churches. I haven't really ever seen a mosque being so disrespectfully changed to a Christian place of worship.

Do you think that there are a disproportionate amount of mosques in Britain for the number of muslim followers? It's certainly the case in Bradford and Leicester.

In Luton, which already has a number of mosques, there are plans to build another two, one of which is quite large and the other in the Arndale shopping centre. Now I don't have a problem with mosques where they are required because a high proportion of the muslim community will use them, but when I go shopping in town I don't want to be presented with a floor full of sandals and the noise of 200 people praying.

[dizzyblonde]

As you know Lozzo, I don't live too far away from Bradford, and in Halifax there is a large muslim community. In fact I seem to recall a really boring fact a year or two back in a yorkshire property slot on the news, that the largest amount of people leaving a town was Bradford, and the largest number of people arriving to live in a town was......Halifax

Anyway, back to your question. You do have to remember that, a large community of people worshipping Islam, isn't just 'one' happy faith. In that faith you have different sects, just the same as the Christian faith has Methodist, Catholic C of E etc.
So even though there may be a couple of mosques popping up, it may be because that particular sect of Islam doesn't have a proper place of worship.Within our comunities there are many churches of differing sects, so its really no different to mosques...people just tend to forget that.
And hats off to them, they pay for it out of their own pockets mainly. They really do show a massive sense of community when it comes to charity.

I did have to giggle at your sandals and shopping comment, I'm not sure many folk would agree to having a big pile of them to fall over in a shopping centre, nor would I think they'd prefer to hear the Imam calling them to prayers over the latest Cheryl Cole song
These days I can hear calling to prayer over the top of the Parish Church Bells on a Sunday, if I'm down at my parents, bearing in mind that the church is nearer than the Mosque, it can get irritating hearing a bloke warbling out of tune!

Originally Posted by thulfi

You will find many muslim countries (particularly the middle east and north africa) have very many christians residing happily within, and there are many historical churches in the region.

http://www.aina.org/news/20110127195103.htm

maybe not quite so happily in some areas though.

Originally Posted by emcf

http://www.aina.org/news/20110127195103.htm

maybe not quite so happily in some areas though.

Originally Posted by thulfi

You need to open your eyes, or perhaps travel a little.

Obviously

Originally Posted by emcf

http://www.aina.org/news/20110127195103.htm

maybe not quite so happily in some areas though.

lol, assyrian times article, surprising that!
in all honesty though, in these areas (egypt but namely iraq), more muslims and mosques and muslim shrines are getting blown up by nutjob muslime extremists than the christians are.

and they're fleeing to syria and jordan, last I checked they were pretty muslim countries.
heck enough iraqis are trying to flee to syria and jordan, muslims, christians or otherwise.

Originally Posted by speedplay

Obviously

reading newspaper articles isn't travelling. have you actually been to any of these countries?

Originally Posted by thulfi

lol, assyrian times article, surprising that!

here's some more links if you don't think that one is valid -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ar-churchgoers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12101748

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...=ILCNETTXT3487