Racism in the UK in 2011

Originally Posted by thulfi

The issue is that virtually most muslims in this country are of pakistani descent, and they have a very different mentality to different muslims elsewhere, and so peoples views in this country of a particular religion is really based on one countries culture mixed with that religion.

The thread title "Racism in the UK in 2011" is about racism this country.

Not how Muslims are viewed abroad.

Originally Posted by speedplay

The thread title "Racism in the UK in 2011" is about racism this country.

Not how Muslims are viewed abroad.

Yeh I know, but was just in a response to the whole 'if we went over there and built churches..etc etc'

Originally Posted by thulfi

Yeh I know, but was just in a response to the whole 'if we went over there and built churches..etc etc'

But its getting derailed by a country mile.

The comparison was that its ok for them to build whatever they like mosque (even in heritage areas) here, but we wouldnt be allowed to do the same abroad.

The whole discussion wasnt about "how do we see the multi cultural world" but more about problems/potential problems HERE.

Originally Posted by speedplay

The comparison was that its ok for them to build whatever they like mosque (even in heritage areas) here, but we wouldnt be allowed to do the same abroad.

What are you basing that on exactly? And where abroad? You can easily use a few BNP arson attacks on mosques to prove that's not the case, just like you could probably fish out some nut jobs abroad that do the same to churches.

The average joe muslim wouldn't give a toss. A corrupt regime/movement on the other hand that uses religion as a political excuse may do, but there's a reason that there's crud loads here in the first place.

edit, another derail, your pic is darnned freaky

must say im having a bit of a chuccle at this, being that i actually come from a place that has had proper religious turmoil for about 300 years, we dont care what colour you are ,just what foot you kick with

people/communities will mix and seperate, countries will change majorities and minorities, and the world will keep spinning, hetitages have changed from time began you cant stop it, once you were anglo saxon or norman or britian, now your english ,irish ,scotish or welsh, soon you may be something else

this country will change again over the next 100 years and may well become a muslim state or stauch christian country again, but the fact is we will be all dead and dust before this change is concidered the norm

I must say, there are some head in the sand views knocking around.
Ask yourself this...
Could 3+ million white british people go to a majority muslim country and set up their own communities, churches, shops, schools and use their own laws?
The answer as speedplay said is no, it would not be allowed, but it has here.
Post as many fecking articles as you like the fact will still remain, its one rule for one and another for everyone else.

Originally Posted by specialone

Could 3+ million white british people go to a majority muslim country and set up their own communities, churches, shops, schools and use their own laws?

Fairly naieve cos it's not that straightforward is it?

The number of stanis and Indians in this country is the result of the British empires rule and an open door policy to people from the colonies they controlled until relatively not too long ago.

From the mid-eighteenth century until at least 1947, and longer in many areas, the British Empire covered a large proportion of the globe and at its peak over a third of the world's people lived under British rule. Both during this time, and following the granting of independence to most colonies after Second World War, the vast majority of immigrants to the UK were from either current or former colonies, most notably those in the Indian subcontinent and the Caribbean.
Following the end of the Second World War, the British Nationality Act 1948 was passed to allow the 800 million[7] subjects in the British Empire to live and work in the United Kingdom without needing a visa. These people filled a gap in the UK labour market for unskilled jobs...

Its simples, you reap what you sow. After all, more than 75% of all the muslims in this country are from India/pakistan or Bangladesh whereas all the muslims from these countries put together make less than 30% of all muslims worldwide.

And even if lets say for arguments sake that governments in these countries are oppressive to other faiths - then you just look at your own and appreciate the greater values and tolerance and be grateful you werent in a position where you had to leave your country. After all, most are here because they want a peaceful life free from war and poverty like most humans, not to come along, take over and convert the world.

Originally Posted by thulfi

After all, most are here because they want a peaceful life free from war and poverty like most humans, not to come along, take over and convert the world.

But a fair number of them are here because out government will support them too.

A lot of "refugees" who come here often travel through a number of other countries to get to here.

As far as I can recall, france, spain, italy, germany are all safe countries but they travel through them to get here.

Originally Posted by speedplay

As far as I can recall, france, spain, italy, germany are all safe countries but they travel through them to get here.

True, but each of these have a large number of communities that are quite specific to their country based on their history and politics.

France have the North Africans, Germany have the turks, England have the stanis and Indians...and the Italians are all racist so noone stays there too long.

Clearly the refugees who made the long haul over here were not told about the weather. I mean imagine leaving your country to end up in Bradford or Luton - like the same place but colder and damper. Too late by the time they realise.

Originally Posted by thulfi

True, but each of these have a large number of communities that are quite specific to their country based on their history and politics.

France have the North Africans, Germany have the turks, England have the stanis and Indians...and the Italians are all racist so noone stays there too long.

Clearly the refugees who made the long haul over here were not told about the weather. I mean imagine leaving your country to end up in Bradford or Luton - like the same place but colder and damper. Too late by the time they realise.

I think most of them already know about the crap weather, but when your given a free local authority house and handouts, I dont think they worry about it too much.