Another prison suicide

Originally Posted by squirrel_hunter

punish.

As for SHARP that does sound worthwhile, prision does not just give the individual a sentance.

well maybe those commiting crime should think of that!!

I have no sypathy for 99% of criminals, and i belive our law and justice system should be a hell of a lot tougher with the re introduction of the death penalty for the most severe crimes.

Sad that someone so young is now dead but for him to be there in the first place tells you what kind of life he chose to lead-I deal with kids who are even younger than him who don't have any fear of going to prison,have no respect for anyone or anything,and will commit some of the most violent crime you'll ever see.Its going to become more and more frequent that offenders will be younger and younger-they will play the system and take there chance-they get away with so much for along period without being punished,when its time to stand up and take there medicine its no surprise that some can't take it.Scarey thing is that there will be another ready to fill his place.

Originally Posted by neio79

Yes he was only 15, but he chose his path in life and could not deal with the concequences, oh well so he was a weak willed person as well, probably in the grand scheme of things not a great loss to civalisation.

Did he? I know nothing about the background to the crime or his upbringing, but that's irrelevant. Crime might seem like a lifestyle choice, sometimes it's all you know. Lots of research has been done into the intergenerational impact of crime and poor basic skills (blame the parents?) and communities of low aspiration.

Prison should be a last resort and a place for reflection and rehabilitation, and an opportunity to start over, not somewhere that makes you feel desperate and hopeless.

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Originally Posted by neio79

well maybe those commiting crime should think of that!!

I have no sypathy for 99% of criminals, and i belive our law and justice system should be a hell of a lot tougher with the re introduction of the death penalty for the most severe crimes.

Whilst I agree, our laws should be tougher. I cannot support any re-introduction of the death penalty. The one thing about British law is that we do have an appeals processes that is supposed to ensure any unfair trial is overturned. We now recognise it isn't perfect and have the review panels that have shown time and again that mistakes have been made, that supposed forensic evidence is not perfect and cases of prosecution deliberately not disclosing evidence that would clear the accused, and so called experts talking out their ****.

Cases that spring top mind, Stefan Kisco, Sally Clarke etc. Although in Sally's case you would have got your ultimate sanction as the whole unfair conviction ultimately led to her death

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

? What is the purpose of prison? To punish? To protect the public? To rehabilitate?
I can't quite see how the same people who seem to think prison is a cushty option where inmates get luxury treatment
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The purpose of prison should be to punish and prevent re offending, which does not work!! It should not be there to rehabilitate, you are in there and deservre to be punished. The victorians had the right idea, 10's to a cell no exersise and little food and water. Our prison service is a joke no deterant at all, we should look at other countries on how to treat crims.

and yes it is cushty, My old man has is a PO in the prison service and has worked as a Prison officer for 30+ years. Some of the stories about how well they get treated are shocking, and he has only worked in Cat A (murderes, rapists etc) prisons so god knows how cushty the rest are?? But i am proud to say he and a few are still old school and belive that a good slap now and again if they get out of line is the way foward!!

Ever wonderd why the UK has the highest prison population, maybe because its that there is no incentive to stay out. My dad has told me so many times at this time of year there is an influx of homeless trying to get in for winter as its sooooooo easy in there. Bed , free time, showers ,food, entertainment etc!!

Originally Posted by CoolGirl

Did he? I know nothing about the background to the crime or his upbringing, .

Please god dont use that old chestnut, bleeding hearts etc!! yes he did chose his path , he was not born as a criminal was he??

I have met plenty of people in the forcs who have come from rerally bad backgrounds and had two choices , stay and probably get into trouble or do something with their life. They chose the Forces and decided not to be a scumbag, so yes he hada choice he chose his path, no excusses!!

Originally Posted by CoolGirl

Prison should be a last resort and a place for reflection and rehabilitation, and an opportunity to start over, not somewhere that makes you feel desperate and hopeless.

Again i completly disagree, Prison should be the single worst experiance of your life so to make you so sure and insistant that you are not going back!! not a camp where you have better opertunities at courses and qualifications than those on the outside.

kids get away with murder these days (its just a saying) the fact he was locked up proves hes a bad un (IMO)

yes, its a shame he killed himself,

but,at 15 kids are drinking, taking drugs, having babies etc so IMO they are not to young to be locked up

Originally Posted by neio79

Please god dont use that old chestnut, bleeding hearts etc!! yes he did chose his path , he was not born as a criminal was he??

I have met plenty of people in the forcs who have come from rerally bad backgrounds and had two choices , stay and probably get into trouble or do something with their life. They chose the Forces and decided not to be a scumbag, so yes he hada choice he chose his path, no excusses!!

Which is why a vast majority of homeless people are ex-offenders, ex-forces or both. They just aren't given the tools to integrate into society and end up on the streets and with mental health probelms becasue they can't cope. If either institution is merely a stopgap beween bouts of real life, then it's not helping anyone. (and we spend a lot of money teaching the armed forces basic skills).

Originally Posted by neio79

It should not be there to rehabilitate, you are in there and deservre to be punished. The victorians had the right idea, 10's to a cell no exersise and little food and water. Our prison service is a joke no deterant at all, we should look at other countries on how to treat crims.

You've not got a clue have you.