Couldn't have put it better myself

Originally Posted by arc123

Yeah thanks for elaborating - I googled it first and couldn't find anything. Interesting theory.

Out of interest - What are you studying??

yep, its very interesting. Im study war, peace and international relations. but this information came from a compulsory module called political thinking which has rapidly become my favorate (not best mind! lol)

The route I was referring to was the democratis process, not tollerance. If a view is held by a section of the people and this is then voted upon and more and more people want it to happen and those people gain more power through members in parliment then laws and ways of governance will be changed.

If the Muslim faith becomes the majority in this country then why shouldnt Sharie Law be introduced if the majority want it. Through Howards statement he is assuming that everyone shares his view and asking you not to question it or suggest alternative or new laws or ways of governance. This is not about tollerance its about due process. Sharie Law should be debated sensible, not as a sop to muslims but out of due process in a democratic society.

Originally Posted by Rog

The route I was referring to was the democratis process, not tollerance. If a view is held by a section of the people and this is then voted upon and more and more people want it to happen and those people gain more power through members in parliment then laws and ways of governance will be changed.

If the Muslim faith becomes the majority in this country then why shouldnt Sharie Law be introduced if the majority want it. Through Howards statement he is assuming that everyone shares his view and asking you not to question it or suggest alternative or new laws or ways of governance. This is not about tollerance its about due process. Sharie Law should be debated sensible, not as a sop to muslims but out of due process in a democratic society.

I ment the toleration of expression, which as far as I can goes hand in hand with both toleration and expression. The thing that I objected to is when you said regardless of how long they had been in the country, its inapropriate to expect the majority of home citizens to change for a minority of aliens (non citizens)

We, as a British culture, place IMHO too much faith in 'the system' and 'democratic process'. democracy dosent work that well when its analised, its slow, clumbersome, and only reflects the view of the majority when its interests are served.

If the majority wanted to abloish democracy in this country in favour of a comunist regieme, or a dictatorial one they wouldnt be able to without military force IMO.

same as when oppional polls showed majority didnt want war with iraq, the bigest protests ever seen in the UK took place, this still wasnt enough to convice our democraticly elected representative that war was not what we wanted. did we complain? no, we reelected Blair.

what you are saying about the muslim majority, is like the story of the broom. its was my Granddads broom, my Dad replaced the brush and I replaced the handle. So, is it the same broom?

This is what would be happening to our culture, it just wouldnt exisit anymore. Which is the irony of cultural diversity, it actually destroys weaker cultures. and i fear that British culture is far weaker than Muslim culture, or even American culture. The world dosent experiance westerisation anymore, its experiancing Americanisation. Even in England, the home (well i know not the origion of) of the cup of tea, you can only find coffee shops on the high streets. why is this the case when there are a handfull of coffee variants and 100s of varieants of tea. Why dont we have tea shops instead?? answer, americanisation.

I hope that was explained well? Im quite sleepy