manchester uni, hang your head in shame.

Originally Posted by northwind

What, seriously? That's just insane.

it is true. in past years we have had to be careful in our choice of words and very tactful in turning people away from the recruitment stand in freshers week. the fact of the matter is, yes it is a "uni club" but it doesn't receive university funding but military funding, and orders for recruitment come from higher up. the union "politicians" have just been brooding over how many ways they can shaft us by counting how many disabled students/students from ethnic minorities or non-commonwealth countries we have in the University Armed Forces Organisations to be able to call us discriminating bigoted racists, and I think that is their biggest argument, not so much the "unjust war" theory.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by dissuade

non-commonwealth countries we have in the University Armed Forces Organisations

They not see a small correlation between British people wanting to join the British armed forces compared to non-British people? Eejits.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

They not see a small correlation between British people wanting to join the British armed forces compared to non-British people? Eejits.

i never said they were smart, or that they had a point.

Originally Posted by dissuade

it is true. in past years we have had to be careful in our choice of words and very tactful in turning people away from the recruitment stand in freshers week. the fact of the matter is, yes it is a "uni club" but it doesn't receive university funding but military funding, and orders for recruitment come from higher up. the union "politicians" have just been brooding over how many ways they can shaft us by counting how many disabled students/students from ethnic minorities or non-commonwealth countries we have in the University Armed Forces Organisations to be able to call us discriminating bigoted racists, and I think that is their biggest argument, not so much the "unjust war" theory.

i thought i had it difficult being a works chargehand in a mill town factory with victorian ideals.
how can a student concentrate on the job in hand with so much distraction from other parties is beyond me.
i have read all the posts and still stand on how i feel. you have to stand up and be counted at times, bullies at school to national security. battles and wars will never end, there are far too many evil and sadistic people to ever let that happen. its a sad fact but there will be other wars and i feel much closer to home next time. i wonder what they'll do then when their homes are burning and their family members are missing. probably put a claim in.

[Stingo]

I find it difficult to construct something balanced and reasonable to add to or form part of this discussion. However, I think that for fairness, Manchester Uni should not be regarded as an island when it comes to matters of this sort. There is similar feeling through much of the membership of 'academia' and those that deliver it.

On a technical point - the term 'Recruiters' I feel should be expanded upon.

From the RN viewpoint:-

Those that work in the 'recruiting service' are usually persons that have left the regular part of the RN and therefore do not serve at sea or on naval establishments per se (they occasionally visit to get a brief on current workings/thinkings/requirements etc). They do however wear naval uniform, remain signed up to the Naval Discipline Act and are in the pay of the public purse - so to all intents and purposes are IN the RN (they just don't go to sea, they earn a salary and so do not draw their pension). In addition, occasionally regulars assist the recruiters during specific events - for example I will soon be taking part in an event in Lancashire where there will be representatives from the other armed forces 'selling/advertising' our product to those taking part in the specific event. For what it's worth, I have no intention of becoming a full time recruiter at the end of my term - I would like to experience something else.

Subjects of this nature are quite emotive, and rightly so - there stir the heart and bring people together in a form of nationalist support - whilst at the same time others are sceptically driven into a different direction. Never the two will meet or agree on the core matter.

I guess in a way it is quite a concern that the presence of the armed forces is on the verge of disappearing from campus but there are other ways of advertising ones product. Quite often the very act of banning something in the hope of reducing its visibility for fear of its popularity has exactly the opposite effect and just makes it more mysterious and so people will try harder to reach/attain that thing.

Gosh - that was a long one.

I bet these dume students dont ban the companies that support the defence industry such as EADS, BT, Lockhed martin, BAE, mcaffe to name a few i bet these dumb ar*eholes dont realise there is a connection. They just seee a blinkerd view of the world given their age and what the media tells them.

Its a joke as the recruiters at Uni will be after otential officers not as i am an other rank soldier. but again they are probably too dumb to realise this.
I wish them well in tehir sad little lives with their usless degree in Art or hymilayan pottery or something as usless to the real world. and hope they find thier career working in tescos fufilling after they have paid off thier huge student loan.

[yorkie_chris]

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I bet these dume students dont ban the companies that support the defence industry such as EADS, BT, Lockhed martin, BAE, mcaffe to name a few i bet these dumb ar*eholes dont realise there is a connection. They just seee a blinkerd view of the world given their age and what the media tells them. [/quote]

Actually they tried to stop engineering dept. at leeds from accepting funding from these "unethical" companies. Dead clever that.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush! It's hippies that are the problem, us engineers are alright!

[quote=yorkie_chris;1492665]

Originally Posted by neio79

I bet these dume students dont ban the companies that support the defence industry such as EADS, BT, Lockhed martin, BAE, mcaffe to name a few i bet these dumb ar*eholes dont realise there is a connection. They just seee a blinkerd view of the world given their age and what the media tells them. [/quote]

Actually they tried to stop engineering dept. at leeds from accepting funding from these "unethical" companies. Dead clever that.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush! It's hippies that are the problem, us engineers are alright!

YC, have no fear i was not taring all students with the same brush mate. I just tried to point out that these hippies probably are so blinkered that they can not see the relation ship between these big companies and the UK military, hence my post.

Ironicallly i bet a few of them end up wprking for one of these companies but i wonder how their morals will kick in then when the pay cheque arrives every month?

[yorkie_chris]

I very much doubt morality plays any part of it when their mates arent around.

This is pretty much why I don't go in the student union.

Personally, I'd be looking at banning the objectors from the campus, they obviously don't have the safety and security of this nation in mind when they open their traps.