Michelin's - see they are rubbish!

Its silly thinking... Because the Suzuki and Kawasaki have been doing terrable in Motogp doesnt necessarily mean their road bikes are rubbish.

So Blue, have you learnt your lesson yet?

Now, get back to posting awesome videos of you on track.

[jambo]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

I don't think it makes any difference, I could crash on any make of tyre

Now that made me chuckle

Some good points coming out and basically I think a few agree, even if the tyres are far removed from what you and I can buy, its puts a pretty shoddy light on Michelins R&D … which has to get you thinking about your road tyre choice!! .. clever marketing makes you ‘think’ Michelin are the best … but when push comes to shove, are they?!? … it’s a bit like Arai … they are perceived to be the ‘best’ helmets out there due to price and marketing … but anyone that saw the recent independent ‘Spike?’ testing/tests will see many of the Arais scored very low … lower than many lids that cost 1/3 the price

Oh and although my hatred of all things Michelin dates back to a few critical ‘off’s’ and general carpness on the track, the same problems/characteristics I have seen in their road tyres. Its basically all about the working heat of the tyre and ‘feedback’ … sure you can ride on them, but I think as a rider, they are horrid tyres compared to others … I’ve used enough Michelin products over the years to throw that blanket over the whole range with reasonable confidence its is still true …

Oh and I’ve been shouting this (Michelins are carp) for ages, so nothing new here .. but seeing what is going down in MotoGP its almost an ‘I told you so’ … seeing it rear it’s head at the top level - my word doesn’t carry much weight - but get 1/2 the MotoGP grid say the same thing; has got to get you at least wondering if your road Michelins are really all that?!!?!!

Again with the Arai’s look at branding over testing …

[jambo]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Stuff…

For any of this to be the least bit relevant would you mind clarifying that you exclusively run Bridgestones?

Jambo

So in your eyes;

1) Three years ago all Bridgestones were crap.

2) Pirellis must be crap too as they have no one to compete against.

3) Arai's are crap because one test out of hundreds say they aren't the best, this one test already has questionable results and methods.

4) The SV and other Suzuki's are crap because the GSVR can't win a race in MotoGP.

The pointless list goes on...

In your opinion Michelins are crap, however I believe they have won MotoGP races this season so your theory is out of the window with that.

Fine, everybody has an opinion but with no actual facts i find it hard to believe that you can dismiss the credentials of a whole brand!

Originally Posted by jambo

For any of this to be the least bit relevant would you mind clarifying that you exclusively run Bridgestones?

Jambo

How so?

But yes, I'd buy Bridgestone before I'd buy Michelin any day .. but given what I have said, that should come as no surprise?

My point is, given the recent media ... at this point in time, wouldn't you reconsider buying a Michelin over a Bridgestone?!!? .. how could you not?!?!

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

So in your eyes;

1) Three years ago all Bridgestones were crap.

2) Pirellis must be crap too as they have no one to compete against.

3) Arai's are crap because one test out of hundreds say they aren't the best, this one test already has questionable results and methods.

4) The SV and other Suzuki's are crap because the GSVR can't win a race in MotoGP.

No.

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

In your opinion Michelins are crap, however I believe they have won MotoGP races this season so your theory is out of the window with that.

Fine, everybody has an opinion but with no actual facts i find it hard to believe that you can dismiss the credentials of a whole brand!

How does that throw what I said out the window??

Oh and what facts would you desire? I have stated that I have tired many of the Michelin products first hand - I don't like them ... and anyone running Michelin in MotoGP at the moment - they can't say much due to contracts etc, but - think they are really going to be a fan!?!

Remember my statement is that the current MotoGP FACT must throw doubt on the product/manufacturer as a whole? Please explain to me how it doesn't? I can't see how it cant!!

Or are you just being a troll?

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Remember my statement is that the current MotoGP FACT must throw doubt on the product/manufacturer as a whole? Please explain to me how it doesn't? I can't see how it cant!! ?

Ok, firstly the Michelin tyres aren't carp; the Bridgestones just seem better in motoGP. This whole thread had spun off of the results of the last race! Look at Championship so far this year:

1 Rossi - Bridgestone
2 Stoner - Bridgestone
3 Pedrosa - Michelin
4 Lorenzo - Michelin
5 Dovi - Michelin
6 Edwards - Michelin
7 Vermeulen - Bridgestone
8 Hayden - Michelin
9 Nakano - Michelin
10 Capirossi - Brigdestone

Current GP field has 18 riders - 9 on Michelin and 9 on Bridgestone

Originally Posted by lukemillar

Ok, firstly the Michelin tyres aren't carp; the Bridgestones just seem better in motoGP. This whole thread had spun off of the results of the last race! Look at Championship so far this year:

1 Rossi - Bridgestone
2 Stoner - Bridgestone
3 Pedrosa - Michelin
4 Lorenzo - Michelin
5 Dovi - Michelin
6 Edwards - Michelin
7 Vermeulen - Bridgestone
8 Hayden - Michelin
9 Nakano - Michelin
10 Capirossi - Brigdestone

Current GP field has 18 riders - 9 on Michelin and 9 on Bridgestone

Good stats! ... if you like your stats, out of interest ... who came second in each of those races? .. how many Bridgestone verses Michelin 1-2's have we had?!?!?

I haven't heard anyone grumble about Bridgestone prior to races ... I have heard several times now where people are grumbling about Michelin ... worse than that, actually requests to pull the tyres/riders from race as they feel they are 'dangerous'!! .. that is something very different to not being quite up to scratch at that track ...

My whole argument against Michelin has always been how fickle they are ... its this inability to work/be predictable in all conditions at all temperatures (well a wide band) that makes them rubbish overall ...

I actually hold my personal lap record at Snetterton on a Michelin ... when they work, they work fantastic, but the conditions have to be absolutely perfect for them ... if they are not in that zone, they will spit you off without a second thought!!

Sure they were track tyres (still road legal mind you ) .. but I have found the same characteristics rearing their head on the normal road tyres too ..

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Its basically all about the working heat of the tyre and ‘feedback’ … sure you can ride on them, but I think as a rider, they are horrid tyres compared to others

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

My whole argument against Michelin has always been how fickle they are ... its this inability to work/be predictable in all conditions at all temperatures (well a wide band) that makes them rubbish overall ...

I actually hold my personal lap record at Snetterton on a Michelin ... when they work, they work fantastic, but the conditions have to be absolutely perfect for them ... if they are not in that zone, they will spit you off without a second thought!!

Sure they were track tyres (still road legal mind you ) .. but I have found the same characteristics rearing their head on the normal road tyres too ..

OK, you're branding the whole range of the Michelin tyres with the same brush, and you're coming from a race tyre (that's road legal).

In my case, I'm coming from touring tyres that allow a little play on public roads (so sports touring then).

I ran on stock rubber, because it was fitted. I then changed to Z6's & found the difference immense. It was a huge improvement. Buckets of feedback.

However, with the Z6's, they go off very very quickly. I could set off to work one day on legal (barely) tread, and by the end of the day I'd be showing carcass (~150 mile round trip)!!

I heard about PR2s (pilot road, not race) & figured I'd give them a try. At the stock pressures for the SV, they were shockingly bad. So bad I considered scrapping them straight away. But I played with pressures instead.

Once the pressure has been sorted out, the PR2s give more feedback, and are much more predictable than the Z6's. Granted they take a little longer to warm up, and as such can lead to the rear spinning up slightly on agressive throttle, but you're only talking the first 10mins of riding tops.

So, since Michelins are supposedly crap, I suppose that Z6's are even worse eh? Note that I'm talking about on the road use, not track.