Your views on immigration

We should all have the same immigration standards, it is a lot easier getting into the UK than it is for us to get into many other countries.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Jester666

Were's that from Hovis?

Enoch Powells 'rivers of blood' speech????

Originally Posted by hovis

this seems about right

we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.



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Yep,sounds about right....but don't wanna get into this,some people on here are to easily offended

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

BNP manifesto?

yes

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

We should all have the same immigration standards, it is a lot easier getting into the UK than it is for us to get into many other countries.

you all do realise on here that there are far more British nationals working abroad than foreign national sliving in the UK?
Like Tim in Belguim

Hovis, you're Welsh. When what is now Britain was attached to continental Europe, there were nomadic tribes. We are all a huge mix. Me, I'm half Irish (Irish mother from Co Mayo).

This is such a difficult subject. I think immigration is a good thing, in general. It brings talent, it brings diversity, it brings people who are happy to change wee-ridden sheets and clear up sick of elderly people in residential homes because care home owners can't get British people (of whatever colour) to do it. I act for some Filipinos who do precisely this. They are allowed to work, but they are not allowed access to public funds - and they don't want public help, they are proud and respectable, they aren't here on the scrounge.

Part of the problem is that successive governments keep changing the law, it's really difficult to work out someone's immigration entitlement now. But also I do think we have allowed in too many people, people who aren't deserving of our hospitality and people who bring nothing to add to what we have.

Originally Posted by Stu

you all do realise on here that there are far more British nationals working abroad than foreign national sliving in the UK?
Like Tim in Belguim

Yes, but we have to offer certain skills or trades to work in non-EU countries unlike the majority of non-EU immigrants appearing on the UK borders.

I don't mind the ones which genuinely come here looking for a job or a new start in life, fair play to them, but there are a fair few who have none of these ambitions.

Originally Posted by Ed

This is such a difficult subject. I think immigration is a good thing, in general. It brings talent, it brings diversity, it brings people who are happy to change wee-ridden sheets and clear up sick of elderly people in residential homes because care home owners can't get British people (of whatever colour) to do it.

I agree with most of what you`re saying Ed but would dispute the above. My experience is that Care Home owners will employ immigrants because it costs a hell of a lot less to pay a Fillipino nurse or carer than it does a British one. There`s plenty of people in Liverpool who would work in a care home could they get the job!

I worked for 6 years as a Sister in a BUPA Care Home. I actually really enjoyed the work but BUPA decided to start employing Fillipino nurses. They only employed qualified Fillipino nurses and funded their flights over here. They gave them a bed in the care home for the first 6 weeks after which they had to find their own accommodation. They paid these Fillipino nurses care assistant wages even tho they were working as a registered nurse thus saving BUPA at least £6 per hour for each nurse.

There were all sorts of difficulties ie. communication problems but I found the main difficulty was that these nurses had no knowledge of basic nursing care. They didn`t know how to bathe someone or feed someone let alone deal with incontinence. In the Phillipines the medical care is paid for by the family`s so the family`s do as much as possible ie. hygiene, bringing food in and feeding loved ones where necessary to keep the cost of the hospital stay to a minimum. As a result of this these nurses didn`t have a clue. After 6 months of this I left stating my reason for leaving was that BUPA were not acting in their patients best interests. After leaving I also wrote an article for the Nursing Times stating my concerns and a few months later I was pleased to hear that BUPA were no longer employing Fillipino nurses.

They are now, however employing a lot of Polish workers and I can only hope that they at least know how to wash a bum and relieve pressure areas!

Claire, that's disgraceful

[yorkie_chris]

My mother is also a nurse and it does seem that being totally useless is not limited to nurses from abroad, she no longer works for NHS but every time she goes into a hospital for whatever reason she comes away pretty disgusted at the state of it.